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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Throughout the many posts that I have read over the years, there is more of a recognition of the importance of the mental aspect of submission before the physical interaction; which I personally applaud
Now the question to be seriously pondered prior to a response; at what point or action does your mentality tell you that it is time to move to physical submission?

CP

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Throughout the many posts that I have read over the years, there is more of a recognition of the importance of the mental aspect of submission before the physical interaction; which I personally applaud
Now the question to be seriously pondered prior to a response; at what point or action does your mentality tell you that it is time to move to physical submission?

CP

Mist,

well many do have triggers but your so spontaneous! thanks for sharing.

CP
I don't need a point in time for my  'submission' to kick in. My being submissive is not linked to either mental or physical aspects;....it simply IS.

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

For me it is when trust entered the equation.  Because when that happened it was ok to let my guard down.  I knew I was not going to be  hurt mentally or physically.

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ORIGINAL: catize

Apparently, I did it backward.  I was initially drawn by the physical. I suppose one could argue that as a masochistic bottom I was submitting, but there was a huge element of “if you don’t do it my way, go away.”  I would, (again arguably), ‘submit’ while running a dialog in my head:  ‘more, not so hard, gee, when is he gonna get to my favorite instrument, my arms are tired, what if he hits too hard, not hard enough, I want, I need….” 
When I learned to stop anticipating what was to come, when I learned to silence the internal dialog, I then made the leap to acceptance of the moment as he desired it.  When it became more than sensation play and expanded to all aspects of the relationship, it became internalized which made it more meaningful to me. (as well as more meaningful to the dominant).

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ORIGINAL: chamberqueen

I think that physical submission is easier to give in the beginning than mental - at least it was for me.  I could play the role but expected it to drop at the end of the session.  As we became more involved and the trust grew I found that I didn't WANT to drop it.  

The mental and physical most often go hand in and, whether it is dressing specially for someone or allowing them to use your body as they please.  Many focus on the mental because it can be so much more difficult than the physical, yet has many similarities no matter what the physical practices within the relationship are.  I am not a masochist - one of my closest friends is - yet what we have in common is that urge to be pleasing to our Masters.    The types of sessions that we have are extremely different, but the emotions that we feel are amazingly alike.  I'm glad that the boards so often deal with the mental aspects because new people should understand that a lot of mixed emotions can come into a BDSM relationship. 

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ORIGINAL: Quivver

move to physical?  hummm ... i believe it's attraction that takes me there, not simply physical attraction but that feeling that shakes the bones saying "you my girl are totally transparent to this person".  problem then is keeping that mind set.  every little red flag in the beginning pulls self protective thoughts back into your head reducing the ability mentally to submit, hence reducing the physical to some fraction or more of the physical.  as things progress we all know that bumps happen, bumps can be similar to red flags in my mind, and bumps can, and often do have the same results as those younger flags.  i fear that many may see that pull back physically as manipulation of some sort when in actuality it is not.  eeeeeks, but then again your question wasnt in keeping things physical was it! 
sorry... no intent to side rail your thread! 

hugs!

Quivver,

grins,

Relax I never look at things as a thread theft, just a meander. You do make a good point re the bumbs v red flags.

CP  

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
Throughout the many posts that I have read over the years, there is more of a recognition of the importance of the mental aspect of submission before the physical interaction; which I personally applaud
Now the question to be seriously pondered prior to a response; at what point or action does your mentality tell you that it is time to move to physical submission?

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
You can submit mentally over a period of time and still have your guard up!hmmmmmmmmm

CP

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Throughout the many posts that I have read over the years, there is more of a recognition of the importance of the mental aspect of submission before the physical interaction; which I personally applaud
Now the question to be seriously pondered prior to a response; at what point or action does your mentality tell you that it is time to move to physical submission?

CP

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at what point or action does your mentality tell you that it is time to move to physical submission?

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ORIGINAL: girlivy

at what point or action does your mentality tell you that it is time to move to physical submission?

i feel a constant  "awareness" for physical submission, not only when the opportunity for a scene arises.
In the physical sense, submission comes in many forms, and may or may not have sexual connotations.
It is at times harder than others to keep the desire for physical submission "at bay",I do my best,  as it is so much a part of me everywhere I go.
So as far as to what point does my body succumb to the desires of physical submission, there is not one really, it has more to do with the environment and the people at any given time.

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
Throughout the many posts that I have read over the years, there is more of a recognition of the importance of the mental aspect of submission before the physical interaction; which I personally applaud
Now the question to be seriously pondered prior to a response; at what point or action does your mentality tell you that it is time to move to physical submission?

For me, at least, "physical" d/s is relatively trivial.  The physical acts of submission were the easiest for my wife and I in many ways.  It is the fact that she will let me play around in her thoughts, emotions, and worldview that is invasive to say the least.  In my head, the relative levels of trust and respect and submission are much much higher for serious mental d/s than they are for the physical aspects.

That being said, I don't think there is a simple answer to your question.  For starters, you haven't specified what, exactly, you mean when you say "physical submission".  Are we talking taking a beating here or is this sex of some sort?  Really though, isn't this going to be highly situational?  The same old advice, start small, expand outwards carefully.  Use your skills as a dominant to read your sub and know when "the time is right".  Really, what else can be said?  This is going to be one of the few cases where I actually agree that every relationship is unique.