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Petitioning - 12/7/2005 7:13:34 AM

ginawithaB

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I've seen petitioning mentioned here and there on the boards but no indepth discussion. So here are the questions:

1. Do many Doms/Masters like/prefer to have subs/slaves petition for ownership or is this too Old Guard for most?
2. If You do prefer petitioning, what do you look for? Simple essay? Comprehensive bio? slave resume?
3. Not a question-but it would be helpful to me if you would identify from what POV Your opinion(s) come-ie: OG, Gor, plain, ole life experience, whatever.

All opinons welcomed and appreciated. Thank You.

-gina

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RE: Petitioning - 12/7/2005 7:23:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ginawithaB
1. Do many Doms/Masters like/prefer to have subs/slaves petition for ownership or is this too Old Guard for most?

Neither and yes :)

Doms LOVE being petitioned. However, some don't (they find it presumptuous) and some enjoy it but don't require it.

And not much to do with "old guard" (but then hardly anything is now)

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2. If You do prefer petitioning, what do you look for? Simple essay? Comprehensive bio? slave resume?

If someone seriously wants to petition me, I'd look for sincerity and thoroughness. Yes the yearning of a submissive and the gleam in their eyes is soothing to one's beast. However, I want to know that they understand exactly what they are asking for and have really thought it through- and that means more thana teary eyed romantic monologue.

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3. Not a question-but it would be helpful to me if you would identify from what POV Your opinion(s) come-ie: OG, Gor, plain, ole life experience, whatever.

Slave top.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/7/2005 7:46:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ginawithaB

I've seen petitioning mentioned here and there on the boards but no indepth discussion. So here are the questions:

1. Do many Doms/Masters like/prefer to have subs/slaves petition for ownership or is this too Old Guard for most?

I don't think petitioning has anything to do with old guard, its just one of those things that people claim as being old guard.

It seems like a fairly new concept, I don't even remember hearing that term used when I first got into BDSM (which was only about nine years ago, but still I didn't hear it used then). Either way my owner didn't have me do a petition, he certainly had me beg for ownership and for each of the symbols that we've had of the ownership since then (the piercings and brand).

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3. Not a question-but it would be helpful to me if you would identify from what POV Your opinion(s) come-ie: OG, Gor, plain, ole life experience, whatever.

I'm a particular persons slave, thats about it.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/7/2005 7:59:36 AM

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If I was to be petitioned (I haven't yet), I would want a thorough knowledge of the Slave's background and what she expected from me. I would also want to know the limits of the agreement and what the termination factors would be. I would look for honesty, sincerity and most of all ATTITUDE! Everything else I should either already know or be able to find out for myself during a trial period.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/7/2005 6:15:30 PM

ginawithaB

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

If I was to be petitioned (I haven't yet), I would want a thorough knowledge of the Slave's background and what she expected from me. I would also want to know the limits of the agreement and what the termination factors would be. I would look for honesty, sincerity and most of all ATTITUDE! Everything else I should either already know or be able to find out for myself during a trial period.

Ok...thanks for response, but could youget a little more specific? What about a slave's "background" would you want to know about in a petition. Backgrounds can be filled with all kinds of stuff. And limits of agreement...would that not be more something the two together would work out? And I gotta ask, what do you mean by "ATTITUDE?"

Are these questions too nit-picky? Hope not. I'm just trying to understand.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/7/2005 8:05:40 PM

Delvin

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Personally I believe petitioning is fine.

As for what I look for, there are a couple of items right off, one being the way they describe themselves within the Master/slave relationship. The second is how they describe the feelings they have to be a slave.

A bio or resume would almost certainly be overlooked as I consider that the "getting to know" stage and really don't need an "application". I would prefer the girl simply and respectfully contact me explaining a little of why she felt compelled to contact me and what it was she was looking for and hopefully have had read my profile.

Details should be discussed once I see the girl is willing to spend some time to open up and depending on the chemistry take it from there. Too many times I will sit and talk with a girl and if it isn't "instant" answers they usually run off never to hear from them again as I am not looking for a fast and naughty online fix. :)

As for what I am…a Master within this lifestyle and owner of slaves. I identify my deviant home as Gorean with a whipping post.

D

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RE: Petitioning - 12/7/2005 8:55:03 PM

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Petitioning is fine. No matter if the Dom or the sub initiate the interest it still comes down to leraning about each other and determining if there is enough of a common bond to make it work between you. Most Doms will simply be flattered that you are interested in them.

Most will want to know all about you before accepting a sub or slave. They will want to crawl in your mind and learn what makes you tick in every way...past, present, experiences, (its important to identify potential landmines that can damage the relationship later). There is not black and white in what any peticular Dom will want to know before accepting you, just realize if they accept you too soon. That is a red flag you should be paying attention to. A good Dom will consider your well being before taking responsibility for you. If they do that too lightly, you should be considering who's hands your putting yourself into.

Bio's, essays, checklists of interests, are all good tools, but they are just that, tools. I suggest that simply saying a little about yourself and why you want to be considered is the best way to proceed. If the Dom is interested, you will be told how to best continue. There is something to be said for letting the Dom take control of the consideration process once you have declared your desire to be considered.

Oh, and Old Guard has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Every form of high protocol has its tools and techniques. No one flavor owns any process or procedure....they are just tools to achieve an end result. Use them as they work best for you and the prospective Dom.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/8/2005 3:06:18 AM

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just wanted to compliment you on your posts....very knowledgable.

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ORIGINAL: B1gbear

Petitioning is fine. No matter if the Dom or the sub initiate the interest it still comes down to leraning about each other and determining if there is enough of a common bond to make it work between you. Most Doms will simply be flattered that you are interested in them.

Most will want to know all about you before accepting a sub or slave. They will want to crawl in your mind and learn what makes you tick in every way...past, present, experiences, (its important to identify potential landmines that can damage the relationship later). There is not black and white in what any peticular Dom will want to know before accepting you, just realize if they accept you too soon. That is a red flag you should be paying attention to. A good Dom will consider your well being before taking responsibility for you. If they do that too lightly, you should be considering who's hands your putting yourself into.

Bio's, essays, checklists of interests, are all good tools, but they are just that, tools. I suggest that simply saying a little about yourself and why you want to be considered is the best way to proceed. If the Dom is interested, you will be told how to best continue. There is something to be said for letting the Dom take control of the consideration process once you have declared your desire to be considered.

Oh, and Old Guard has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Every form of high protocol has its tools and techniques. No one flavor owns any process or procedure....they are just tools to achieve an end result. Use them as they work best for you and the prospective Dom.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/8/2005 6:21:20 AM

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I don't petition.
I flirt.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/8/2005 11:47:19 AM

amayos

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1. As I have revealed in some other previous discussion, yes, I DO enjoy it when a prospective approaches me and simply asks.

2. What I look for is honesty and authenticity in a submissive. I prefer them to be direct with their desires and not beat around the bush, so to speak. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. And above all...know thyself and don't waste my time.

3. I am (obviously) a dominant male, but I don't subscribe to any particular mantle of doctrine, save my own. I base my actions on experience and what I have learned regarding human nature.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/8/2005 8:28:33 PM

Archer

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Petitioning was a common although not universal practice for many "Old Guard" leathermen. In fact it can be backed up as such with a little reading of writtings available from: Guy Baldwin, Jack Rinella, Bob Harris, and a few others as well.
Petitioning for service is a part of the personal histories of these three Leathermen, as well as a few dozen more that I know personally.

Now as for the idea that it is too "Old Guard" I would say for me it is certainly not, in fact it is something I pretty much insist on for anyone entering my service. It's not that the same thing cannot be accomplished otherwise it is simply that I like the structure of the approach. For some the process seems too formal and to htem I say simply do it your way I'll do it mine hopefuly everyone will get the types of relationships they seek.

I took the petition format that is used by Officer Wes ( available here http://www.westom.com/leather/slave_petition.htm#intro_statement )and modified it a bit to suit my own needs. Seems very much in keeping with the Old Guard philosophies.
BTW lots of good reading available on Officer Wes' site as well.

I like the structure of the petitioning process, the document itself is usefull but the process of the (s type) having to put down in words the who, what, when, were and why they want to serve me serves as a good exercise in the s- type getting to know themself and what they seek better. The document also serves as a guide for further negotiations. Yes I said further because the petition is the first formal part of negotiations for me. Even if they turn out to not be suitable for me the excersise itself gives them something to work from in their journey. The petition also serves as the outline, begining point of a contract for the relationship should it progress to that point.

In Leather

Archer

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RE: Petitioning - 12/9/2005 10:48:22 AM

ginawithaB

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Thanks to all for the info and opinions. Special thanks to Archer...Officer Wes website is phenomenal...very informative. the checklists and submissiveness scale I'd seen b4, but nonetheless, very helpful. And thanks for the validation re: OG...I knew I had not pulled that out of a hat...but I've been not feeling well this week and my head has only today stopped spinning (flu...it's wintertime in old NY). Anyhoo, yes, I have read about petitioning on Jack Rinella's site.

Anyway, the info is very comprehensive. Question: From reading Off. Wes' site, it seems He has very particulart info that he looks for. And others have indicated the kinds of things they would look for in a petition. So I am gleaning from this that it might be useful to send an opening letter first asking for a particular Master's guidlines. Off. Wes is very specific, but some others are more, I dunno, broad, unspecific? How would a slave know what all to include w/o specifics? Right?

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RE: Petitioning - 12/9/2005 12:46:48 PM

Archer

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I would say that what people look for in petitions varies quite a bit from one person to the next and although it is the first formal step for negotiations for some people it is not the first step in negotiations overall.

I would though caution against forcing yourself to fit the mold the Dominant has in their mind and stick to being honest in the petition. I've always given the format for my petitions to the person wanting to petition to be in my service. I would certainly think most Dominants would be happy to give you a format if you simply ask what format a petition to serve them should take.

In Leather

Archer

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RE: Petitioning - 12/9/2005 4:27:47 PM

ginawithaB

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quote:

I would though caution against forcing yourself to fit the mold the Dominant has in their mind and stick to being honest in the petition.

Oh, thank You for that, Sir...but no, I would assume any potential Master would want any potential slave to be completely honest at all times - as much as she/he is able at any particular time...even if that slave has hard limits that the Master would rather they not have.

Thanks again to all.

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RE: Petitioning - 12/9/2005 6:01:34 PM

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I was petitioned by the courts...once....but I flirted with the States Attoeney and it was dismissed, after my discharge

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RE: Petitioning - 12/10/2005 7:17:42 PM

ginawithaB

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ORIGINAL: fastlane

I was petitioned by the courts...once....but I flirted with the States Attoeney and it was dismissed, after my discharge

yeh!!!!!! You were finally approved!!!!! What in the world was so offensive abt this post that it took the mods so long to approve???? It's a wonder!

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