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Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 2:05:47 PM   
MistresseLotus


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Status: offline 		“Gasp!  You... you mean you didn’t vote for the side with the female V.P.???  But... but... you wanted Hillary!!!”
 
This election is very important... both “minorities”, the black and the female... have a lot to loose or a lot to gain.
 
I looked at both sides.  Whoever is elected holds a greater burden than any other candidate in the past for they hold the success of their gender or their race in the palm of their hand. 
 
I voted for Obama because he’s smart.  I see him as honest and he’s earned what he’s got.  He takes the insults by McCain in stride. He is in a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation.  If he doesn’t respond to the attack ads...he’s seen as retiring from the issue… when he does… he does so with grace, elegance and CIVILITY.  He’s never referred to McCain as “that one”.
 
The reason I don’t like Palin is not because she’s a Republican.  She seems to think strength is being sarcastic, abrasive and falls back on “the higher power” as her raison d’être (if you don’t have facts or proof and no one is believing you.. point to the invisible guy in the sky).  In short, she is the classic example of ”bitchy”.  She’s so worried about the Middle East... how do you think they are going to respond to HER?  They will laugh in her face.  If she got in and fucked it all up... there goes a hundred years of female equality progress.
 
This is the same for Obama if he screws it up.  Shamefully, it won’t be seen as being a “bad president” (as in our current fuck up)... it’ll be because he’s ”black”.  I believe he will govern us all equally.
 
My heart and intuition tells me he will be one of our best, just as it tells me Palin will be the worst example of women in politics for years to come.

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I leave it to the 20-somethings to do the "open-minded, total unconditional acceptance thing" for it's how THEY learn that all the things others older than they have deemed BS, are in fact BS. What a waste of a decade.
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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 2:14:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Our early voting in Arkansas starts on the 20th, although many states have already started. In those that have, Obama is holding a small lead. I plan to be there ahead of election day, because I don't want to be hassled by the crowds, and the GOP operatives trying to intimidate voters.

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 2:38:04 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		Good to know why you threw your vote away since in the grand scheme of things it does not matter what you or I think.

The electoral college does the voting...not us.  The only vote this election that is not thrown away is the one for reform.  None of the above.



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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 2:42:01 PM   
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Harvey

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 2:46:35 PM   
BitaTruble


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Status: offline 		Very insightful post, Lotus and I agree with most of it but I don't think I would catagorize Palin as bitchy, because were she a man, she would not be referred to in such a manner. I just said in another post that I try to use my head, follow my heart and trust my gut in my reaction to various stimuli and all three of those point me in the direction that Palin would not be on the ticket were she a man. If she would not be on the ticket were she a man, then she should not be on the ticket at all.

I think she was/is necessary for the republican base. The attacks on McCain early on from such conservative publications and websites like The Weekly Standard and National Review point to how badly McCain needed to solidify support from the conservative arena. Palin has allowed republicans to cast a begrudged vote for McCain .. a vote that otherwise might have gone uncast as scores of republicans stayed home this election season. To that end, I believe she will serve the purpose for which she was chosen.

In my mind, this is all about getting voters to the polls, issues and economy be damned. The ticket which is better able to accomplish that is the ticket who will take the WH.

I don't think McCain will be a 'bad' president nor do I think Obama will be a 'bad' president. They do have some basic and fundamental differences, but, ultimately, I think they both are seeking to do what they believe is best for our country. Ultimately, I think they both have the potential to be 'good' presidents especially when you compare them to the current administration (and Congress!!! ) They just have differing ideas on what that is and how best to accomplish it. I know that both sides have accused the other of ambition and I'm a bit puzzled as to why that seems to be a bad thing. Ambitious people get shit done. Apathy is what leads to no where.

Party lines are weird things. Sometimes I look at democrats and wonder if they have forgotten that it was the republican party which elected Lincoln and started the process to wipe out slavery. Sometimes I look at republicans and wonder if they've forgotten it was the democrats who got us to the moon. I look at both parties and don't understand how either one think they can accomplish greatness with only half the country on their side. We have so much potential, creativity, innovation and tenacity as a nation. ::sighs:: One of these days, perhaps the swords will be put down instead of drawn and we can live up to our own hype of being one of the greatest nations on the planet.

Fucking Pollyanna me.


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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 2:47:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why will I be voting for Barack Obama again,having voted for him in 3 primaries and 2 general elections already? First because he strikes me as a smart man who has truly studied the issues. Secondly, and the reason I first voted for him, he is known and trusted by people I know and trust. Finally the alternative is not acceptable to me.

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:22:20 PM   
MistresseLotus


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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Good to know why you threw your vote away since in the grand scheme of things it does not matter what you or I think.
   I see it as negating one McCain vote :)

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:24:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Good to know why you threw your vote away since in the grand scheme of things it does not matter what you or I think.
   I see it as negating one McCain vote :)


Which still means nothing in the grand scheme of things.  If the entire country votes for Obama...we did not vote him in.  If the entire country votes for McCain we did not vote him in.

When will the typical American wake up?


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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:28:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of the things I like about Obama is that he's NOT black.  Technically, he is, but it doesn't DEFINE him.

He's the anti-Jesse Jackson.  He's from a poor single parent household and while he may have benefited from quotas, let's face it - you don't get to head up the Harvard Law Review or run for President on the quota system.  He's not claiming that discrimination keeps him down - he's pushing past walls.  While Jackson and Sharpton get the blacks to protest and confront, Obama's registering them to vote in unprecedented numbers.

He's the anti-Bush.  While W spent his first forty years getting drunk and high and being a blot on society, Obama pushed himself.  He's learned a level of personal responsibility that Bush never will.

Where Bush had to use neocons for his policies because conventional experts would never fo along with his nutxase ideas, Obama quietly gathers round experts.  Smart people.  And he LISTENS to them.


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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:29:29 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		People seem to be having trouble with the concept of a REPRESENTATIVE democracy.

Or maybe we should all drive to Washington D.C. on Nov. 4, stand in line and be counted?

Excuses.

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:38:18 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		Problem is our representatives do not stand for us.  That has been proven time and time again.

They say anything to get into office then stab us all in the back. 

I'd actually be willing to stand in line and be counted if it meant putting the power back into our hands.



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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:40:58 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I can tell you personally that you are wrong.

I've had significant assistance from my representatives of both parties. Of course, I first had to alert them to the issue at hand.

I can't speak regarding your representatives, of course, but if that's not the case, replace them.

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:42:11 PM   
MistresseLotus


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I leave it to the 20-somethings to do the "open-minded, total unconditional acceptance thing" for it's how THEY learn that all the things others older than they have deemed BS, are in fact BS. What a waste of a decade.

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:43:10 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		I have been campaigning to do just that.  Over half of this town wants change now.

George W got into office without winning the popular vote.  How exactly did that happen?


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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:44:03 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		You know how. Time to stop this whine fest.

Do or don't do what you need to do or not do.

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:45:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

I have been campaigning to do just that.  Over half of this town wants change now.

George W got into office without winning the popular vote.  How exactly did that happen?




Because a whole lot of people who thought their vote wouldn't count stayed home and didn't vote so their vote didn't count and the delegates from those various states went to Bush since he got enough of his base out who actually got their vote counted.

Your vote will never, ever count.. if you don't cast it.

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 3:50:15 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		So, it is whining to state the truth?  Very interesting. 

I can pretty much guarantee I do more for changing the system than most anyone on this site. 
Of course you have to know how the system works. 
Read what Lotus put up...wait...don't because that would mean the system is very flawed.


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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 4:46:41 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		sub, this is just silly.

OK. None of us vote.

Improves the situation how?

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 5:19:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

sub, this is just silly.

OK. None of us vote.

Improves the situation how?



Sub4hire is closer to the mark than you suspect, perhaps.

In order to effect significant change, government has to be in charge. Government is the subject of big business, of course; in other words, government isn't in charge. It's highly unlikely that Obama will implement his programme of change. Clinton had big ideas, too, until he received a visit from Greenspan and associates around 1996.

Big business has the tools at its disposal to rig the game: the threat of moving production abroad, the threat of manipulating financial instruments and the media as its mouthpiece. Politicians simply aren't prepared to take a risk on the political and social costs of taking on big business and the media.

In the event people don't vote, there is a chance that big business and established politicians will fret over the potential of someone else stepping up and filling the void; and they may begin to sit up and take notice of the electorate.

Edited to add: 'could be earlier than 1996......somewhere around that time.

< Message edited by NorthernGent -- 10/12/2008 5:24:27 PM >

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RE: Why I Voted for Obama - 10/12/2008 5:46:29 PM   
Irishknight


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Status: offline 		Bush was elected the first time through the flaw in the elctoral college system.  That is a fact.  It wasn't a stolen election, courts ordering his election, or any of the other whiny lies that people want to tell.  The e.c. system is flawed.  My 6th grade teacher knew it and now it has been proven. 
The second election came from the fact that the other side ran someone who was easily made into a worse candidate in the eyes of many.  There were too many hard feelings toward him from things that happened in the past.  That is why an unpopular president got reelected.
As for throwing your vote away, this is as close as we get to influencing anything.  The electors will still vote as they wish and that takes away the power of our individual vote.  At least by voting, we get to express our opinion.

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