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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/15/2008 4:26:40 PM   
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If all 8 out of a 100 kill just one person, then that is 16 people per 100 with their lives destroyed, plus the collateral damage of families and friends - with the possibility of more people being murdered by the one person.  Thats a lot of lives fundamentally changed by one drug for the worse.

I'd have to vote no. Cancer is indiscriminant in its striking - if people rail against it, they blame god or other powers too great to be accosted.  A family member being murdered by someone under the influence of a drug is too close to home  - why should my family member die because someone else didn't want to die? You escape your fate, my fm dies instead.

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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/15/2008 5:19:10 PM   
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Honestly, the entire situation is just so implausible that I have no answer.


Some people just have no fucking imagination.


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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/15/2008 5:26:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

quote:

Honestly, the entire situation is just so implausible that I have no answer.


Some people just have no fucking imagination.



Meanwhile some of us have a great fucking imagination, but no actual fucking

However, this clears the mind for higher pursuits, such as the consideration of implausible situations - such as actually getting some

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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/15/2008 5:27:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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Honestly, the entire situation is just so implausible that I have no answer.


Some people just have no fucking imagination.



Meanwhile some of us have a great fucking imagination, but no actual fucking

However, this clears the mind for higher pursuits, such as the consideration of implausible situations - such as actually getting some

E


Lol agreed

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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/15/2008 5:35:13 PM   
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just outa curiosity mist how around the 100th day are we talking? days before / after... weeks before after... cause for a cure for cancer im certain  most patients would take the risk under the understanding that during the term the side effects kick in they be locked in a secure facility

from the medical point of view , medicine dispite  being science isnt an exact science.... there are dozens of widely available treatments for major and minor diseases which can with the right body chemistry , environment or even bad luck , cause minor to major side effects some including very gruesome death

to quote spock
*  the needs of the many far out way the needs of the few, or the one*

personally if i were suffering from a life threatoning disease id take the risk. 8 out of a hundred still leaves a 92% chance im cured of something which would kill me for sure



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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/15/2008 6:27:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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Honestly, the entire situation is just so implausible that I have no answer.


Some people just have no fucking imagination.



Meanwhile some of us have a great fucking imagination, but no actual fucking

However, this clears the mind for higher pursuits, such as the consideration of implausible situations - such as actually getting some

E


Yup, that's got pretty much all of my imagination tied up... or vice-versa... or something. Hm.


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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/15/2008 6:49:42 PM   
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Now imagine that the drug above is a cure for cancer. 90 out of 100 people will be cured. 2 out of 100 will not be. 8 out of 100 will be cured but will be affected by the side effect and go out and kill someone.
 
Would the answer you gave above change? And if so why?




The eight out of hundred number is okay with me as long as we can pre-program them to target the hierarchical structure of the global investment banking system.

On a side note.....We still need to bring back the steamy shower/towel picture.....




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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/16/2008 7:38:48 AM   
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On a side note.....We still need to bring back the steamy shower/towel picture.....


Huh?

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RE: Which way would you go? - 10/16/2008 8:44:05 AM   
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misst, interesting selection of reading material. After you finish it you will probably be the best one to answer your own question.

I have a few questions as to whether it would be possible to manage this side effect. You might want to have a look at the latest SSRI thread in health and safety. I tried not to piss people off there but I am not so sure I succeeded. Some people on SSRIs go "postal" so to speak, like the Columbine shooters.

One good question is what is the time frame in which the patient is dangerous ? I mean if they generally will kill within a month of the end of the program, that last month could be inpatient. However if they could kill years later such a step would be quite impractical.

Actually I would say that if two out of a hundred are going to kill someone innocent or at random, I don't mean their ex-drug-dealer or someone else they may have killed anyway, I would not want to see the program continued. If the risk could be contained somehow, maybe the success rate makes it worthy.

The time frame is still important. If you have to lock them all up for two months, or take them on a retreat or something like that, it might be worthwhile. Also, if those with the tendency for this abberation could be identified early, that would go a long way in selling it's worthiness.

Normally I am against these things, trading one drug for another. Like methadone treatment for heroin addicts. From what I've heard, methadone is addictive, has withdrawal symptoms and most of the drawbacks of heroin, but you just don't get high.

However of late my opinion is changing, partly due to the SSRI thread and partly just reviewing my life experience. (which includes those I have known) Some people just get so hopelessly addicted that there is just about no way to stop them. You can put them in prison for ten years and the first thing they want when they get out is their drug of choice. Well maybe some sex, but the drug is at least number two.

In the SSRI thread I of course came out against them. However I wound up at odds with some who say they would not be here without them. Everyone is being civil of course, but this is a real disagreement.

In the psychological sense, the patients in your book might be the most addicted of the addicted. There may be no other treatment whatsoever for them. I tend to think that in those who kill, there is something in their mind that is not addressed and is subliminated by the drug.

Do they kill after they discontinue the drug ? Or can it happen anywhere near the end of the ninety days, which would indicate that a tolerance is being built up.

Think about it, if they can nail down a time frame, and each patient even has to go to jail for a couple months, imagine the alternative. You could be laying there in your own piss figuring out who to rob to get your next fix, and possibly wind up earning yourself a hell of alot more than two months incarceration.

Would you trade two months of your life to forever off a drug that was killing to, and being quite efficient about it ? Not eating, aging fast, whoring yourself out, ripping off family and friends eventually becoming a loner. Or perhaps you already are a loner and have had to move a few times because there are people after you.

Which brings us to that, about the killing, what if someone shows up from your past who you ripped of or screwed over in some big way looking for revenge ? It happens. What if they kill those people in self defense ?

There may be answers in the book. Let us know, because it is tough to make a call right now due to lack of detail. And the analogy to cancer, apply it. Severe drug addiction is similar to a cancer. I am not talking about someone who likes to burn one after work, I mean the hardcore ones.

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