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DontUDare -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 11:15:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl i dont like pro's. "sex is not involved in my biz" YA RIGHT ITS NOT. you may not have actual intercourse. but sex is definitely involved. so right there...thats a crock...trying to hide what you really do. not to mention that in profiles on here i have seen many say "you must provide tribute, or gift before i will even talk to you". ya...who the hells gonna do that??? nobody has offered me a gift or a tribute... and i dont see why i havent been offered such...im hot as hell....with a great body.... DAMNIT!! I don't like that type of Pro either. However not all Pro's are like that. Just like all red hared girls are not like you. I do think generalizations are the root of most annoyances.

SailingBum -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 12:13:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressRouge quote: ORIGINAL: SailingBum Why do you feel the need to rationalize how you make your money? Obviously you have issue with it. BadOne I have no need to justify or rationalize anything, on the contrary Mr Bum [:D] Just thought I would begin a discussion, I am my most creative in the morn lol. My issues are blatantly clear from my op, however I have no ill feeling or malice with the closed of mind & their opinions, opinions make this world much more interesting! That's not what I got out of your prolonged discourse. But ok if you say so. BadOne

MistressRouge -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 1:20:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SailingBum quote: ORIGINAL: MistressRouge quote: ORIGINAL: SailingBum Why do you feel the need to rationalize how you make your money? Obviously you have issue with it. BadOne I have no need to justify or rationalize anything, on the contrary Mr Bum [:D] Just thought I would begin a discussion, I am my most creative in the morn lol. My issues are blatantly clear from my op, however I have no ill feeling or malice with the closed of mind & their opinions, opinions make this world much more interesting! That's not what I got out of your prolonged discourse. But ok if you say so. BadOne Read into it, what you will [:D] I have raised a few points for discussion, not only the moneytary aspect [:)] As I said, closed minds lol.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 1:29:45 PM)
quote: Just like all red hared girls are not like you. i agree...not all redheads are as hot looking as i am....but then im actually a natural blonde... SCARY

MistresseLotus -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 1:29:59 PM)
Did you have a question or is this an ad?

DontUDare -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 1:32:18 PM)
Same here, and I commend you on having the good sense to correct the color, suits you perfectly.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 1:37:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DontUDare Same here, and I commend you on having the good sense to correct the color, suits you perfectly. you have an old friend alyson hannigan to thank for my redness...

DontUDare -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 1:48:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl quote: ORIGINAL: DontUDare Same here, and I commend you on having the good sense to correct the color, suits you perfectly. you have an old friend alyson hannigan to thank for my redness... She force dyed your hair? Wow ;) Just kidding, I suppose at some point you said yes, so she gets only half the thanks... Btw, looked at your profile, stunning pictures, and nicely clear profile text... one of the faries has a neclace that I could not figure out, what is it?

rookey -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 2:38:03 PM)
From what I read on Collarme and similar sites, is that many non-pro Dommes don't like playing with first-timer subs. I also read from said sites that Pro-Dommes are where many first-timers get their initial experience of 'trying on the cuffs' to see of they do actually like it. So it follows that Pro-Dommes expand the pool of experienced subs available for the non-pros to play with. The pros are doing the non- pros a favour by giving them more choice. I cannot see the logic of someone looking down of doing a job another loves and then being paid for it. Heck, if someone paid me to taste test beer I wouldn't see myself complaining (nor sober). We've all got to pay for our bread and cheese somehow. So if it's consenual and ethical, what's wrong by making a living out of what you love and do best?

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 3:08:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rookey From what I read on Collarme and similar sites, is that many non-pro Dommes don't like playing with first-timer subs. I also read from said sites that Pro-Dommes are where many first-timers get their initial experience of 'trying on the cuffs' to see of they do actually like it. So it follows that Pro-Dommes expand the pool of experienced subs available for the non-pros to play with. The pros are doing the non- pros a favour by giving them more choice. I cannot see the logic of someone looking down of doing a job another loves and then being paid for it. Heck, if someone paid me to taste test beer I wouldn't see myself complaining (nor sober). We've all got to pay for our bread and cheese somehow. So if it's consenual and ethical, what's wrong by making a living out of what you love and do best? the experience you get from a pro dom is far different than that of a non pro. as to the feeling and reasons behind doing said actions. you go to a pro for play or a fetish.. non pro is an actual relationship that is very very different experience. things are done a hell of alot differently as you will never be loved and adored by a pro thus actions are not the same because the pro is doing it for the money and nothing more. you will enjoy things more with a non pro because it is done out of love.

tweedydaddy -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 3:15:07 PM)
I don't look down on Professionals. My past is not unblemished snow, I can often be brought to play if sufficient chocolate is involved and I get double the quantity in Belgian sea shells for LadyLove's management fee.

DontUDare -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 3:40:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl the experience you get from a pro dom is far different than that of a non pro. as to the feeling and reasons behind doing said actions. you go to a pro for play or a fetish.. non pro is an actual relationship that is very very different experience. things are done a hell of alot differently as you will never be loved and adored by a pro thus actions are not the same because the pro is doing it for the money and nothing more. you will enjoy things more with a non pro because it is done out of love. Again I must disagree in the part that although this is certainly the case for some instances, it is not true for all. Pro's are as different as the non-Pro's. I for one select my playmates with care and thus keep a small but loyal group of persons I play with, and I do love them all even if some more than others. I would classify some of my playmates as relationships in the sense that I talk to them on msn each day, look forward to play with them and have a deep caring in their well being outside of playtime. The reason I am a pro is basically to be able to spread myself around. I am a lifestyle domina too and treat my playmates with the same care as I would if they were not paying. I actualy started being a pro because some of my dear friends had been going to the type of domina you describe and were being hurt by it. I didn't have a place to play but my home and I asked them to pay for the place and cover my expences while playing. I now use the money to provide income to be able to set up a dungeon for this practice. I understand where you are coming from, but again I wish it were not so generalized.

ArizonaProDomme -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 4:00:12 PM)
She (faerytattoodgirl) is always bashing pros and she always will not because she went to one and had a bad experience but because of past relationships with women who took advantage of her financially. So in turn she bashes pros, 24/7 relationships and any situation where the Dominant is provided for by the "s" again ALL based on how she was treated by her ex's. I complimented her in a message once on her pictures and made clear that though I am pro I was not soliciting her in anyway and instead of a thank you for the compliment I got her legacy on why she loathes pros etc. Its a shame to never over come what has happened to us in the past and not push those bad experiences off on anyone that resembles something from our past. This is her kind of thread where she can exercise her hate for pro's banter... quote: ORIGINAL: DontUDare quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl the experience you get from a pro dom is far different than that of a non pro. as to the feeling and reasons behind doing said actions. you go to a pro for play or a fetish.. non pro is an actual relationship that is very very different experience. things are done a hell of alot differently as you will never be loved and adored by a pro thus actions are not the same because the pro is doing it for the money and nothing more. you will enjoy things more with a non pro because it is done out of love. Again I must disagree in the part that although this is certainly the case for some instances, it is not true for all. Pro's are as different as the non-Pro's. I for one select my playmates with care and thus keep a small but loyal group of persons I play with, and I do love them all even if some more than others. I would classify some of my playmates as relationships in the sense that I talk to them on msn each day, look forward to play with them and have a deep caring in their well being outside of playtime. The reason I am a pro is basically to be able to spread myself around. I am a lifestyle domina too and treat my playmates with the same care as I would if they were not paying. I actualy started being a pro because some of my dear friends had been going to the type of domina you describe and were being hurt by it. I didn't have a place to play but my home and I asked them to pay for the place and cover my expences while playing. I now use the money to provide income to be able to set up a dungeon for this practice. I understand where you are coming from, but again I wish it were not so generalized.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 4:17:02 PM)
quote: she always will not because she went to one and had a bad experience im sorry but i have never gone to a pro. i am disabled...i do not have the money to throw away on a pro. bashing no...i post facts. you can all call them generalizations...but in reality they are facts. i use the experience from others who have posted on cm and from people i talk with online and offline. if i was bashing...you would know it...i would be swearing all over the place. with my 24-7 experience i am not the only one who experienced what i did. most others i have seen that post here say the same experience. so as i said..call it whatever you want...not many of us agree on anything anyway.

ArizonaProDomme -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 4:40:57 PM)
the line you quoted said "not because she went to one" meaning you hadnt My point.

SailingBum -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 5:51:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistresseLotus Did you have a question or is this an ad? Yea go figure it's like she's trying to prove her sense of self worth as a person.

OneMoreWaste -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 7:11:41 PM)
My grievance, as a decidedly non-pro sub, is the implication. You've always got the newbie girlsubs going on about the gift of submission, and how it has value and all that- but by seeing a pro, a guy is recognizing that his submission actually has negative value. And the pro is right out there saying- "I know that your desires are a liability. I will take on that burden if you make it worth my while." And I know, "bottoming is not submission" and all that. Doesn't matter. I guess the expanded version is that his intimacy, whatever form it takes, has an actual cost- and it's usually pretty damn high. So when you think about all of the jobs that thousands of people do for relatively low pay- picking up trash, cleaning houses, working in slaughterhouses- all of those are substantially less onerous than your kink. That's what the average pro is saying, to me.

GoddessNatasha -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 7:34:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl i dont like pro's. "sex is not involved in my biz" YA RIGHT ITS NOT. you may not have actual intercourse. but sex is definitely involved. so right there...thats a crock...trying to hide what you really do. Wow! It must be wonderful to have such categorical, absolute, unequivical insight and judgement about the transactions that take place between others. Very god-like and all-knowing, I would say. If you don't like pro's don't go to one. Nobody is pushing you through the door. Let me suggest that one of the problems with the BDSM community is that we do not support one another. Some of us strike a pose that is holier- than-thou, and that leaves us vulnerable to scorn from ignorant, moralistic outsiders. I am a Prodomme and I can damn well assure you there is no sexual activity in My sessions except the sexual drama that might go on inside the sub's head. But subspace is more likly a release of tension than an arousal. Ask any sub. More likely there is sex involved in a guy's head when he goes to the movies and sees a hot scene. So, maybe you shouldn't like movie theaters either. I guess it all depends on what your definition of sex is. It is so easy and disengenuous for an "outsider" to make someone else's panties seem dirty. Don't judge 'em unless you've worn them.

Usako -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 7:46:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OneMoreWaste My grievance, as a decidedly non-pro sub, is the implication. You've always got the newbie girlsubs going on about the gift of submission, and how it has value and all that- but by seeing a pro, a guy is recognizing that his submission actually has negative value. And the pro is right out there saying- "I know that your desires are a liability. I will take on that burden if you make it worth my while." Holy crap, you have a point. I always see the female subs calling submission a "gift" or male doms wanting said "gift" but the male ones always tend to be more self loathing, "I am scum compared to you" type. I guess I never put the two ideas together to notice that. As for this thread, love it! These pro domme/tribute threads always bring out the lulz. Keep it up guys! I'm getting quality entertainment and not having to pay for it, woot!

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Pro-Style Fusion - Stigma. (10/17/2008 7:58:50 PM)
quote: I'm getting quality entertainment and not having to pay for it, woot! glad to help with your entertainment! [8\|]

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