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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 7:56:21 AM

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For outward appearance you need both depending upon the situation. Sometimes looking angry and barely in control may assist in dealing with situations and sometimes calm and cool will. Now inwardly it should always be calm and cool, but there are few that are like that all the time.

Is showing emotion a bad thing? No. Is reacting with just emotion a bad thing? Usually.

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Do you folks think that temperment is an important consideration when choosing a candidate? Do prefer someone who outwardly shows anger or someone who is calm and cool?

"The Temperment Factor: Who's Best Suited to the Job?"

By Nancy Gibbs
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
Time/CNN

"The problem for voters today is that crisis comes in triplicate: Would McCain be better suited to the challenge of another terrorist attack? Is Obama's deliberate style more likely to yield progress against a challenge like climate change? And who can navigate a path through an economic crisis hardly anyone understands? Not only can't you know what a President will face, but his reflexes in one crisis may not be typical of how he responds to another. "

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1850921-3,00.html

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 7:58:14 AM

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Of course its important. Would anyone really want someone who tends to act without thinking? Or someone who lets their emotions rule their decisions?

Its a bit like asking 'does intelligence matter in a candidate'? IMO.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 8:02:11 AM

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Personally, I'd settle for one who can spell "temperament"...

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 8:05:09 AM

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Nice first impression.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 8:12:44 AM

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It all depends on how the Democrat candidate is viewed. If he is known to be a hothead then that's all the rage, because it means he's passionate and emotionally invested

He really cares.

If it's the Republican candidate though, it means that he's dangerous and ill-tempered. Out of control, impulsive...

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 8:18:37 AM

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Hummm... let's see...

Just suppose we've set the WAYBAC machine to the morning of 9/11/01... the second plane has slammed into the WTC, and it's just become obvious that the US is under attack. We don't know the exact nature of the attack... for all we know, this could be a prelude to someone setting off a suitcase nuke in a major city, or slamming a fully loaded 747 into a nuclear power plant somewhere....

We know the Bush response: sit and do nothing for 7.5 minutes, then fly around for an hour and a half aimlessly until he "mans up" enough to land someplace where he can address the nation.

But what would the candidates responses have been, should they have been in the office?

Obama: calm, cool response. Immediately move for the airport, and pull in as much information as possible. Address the nation from the nearest secure area, reassure the nation that steps have been taken to secure the US's airspace, and the family of Bin Leiden was being rounded up for questioning.

McCain: Bomb something! Now! Suspend the US government! Nullify the bill of rights! It's an emergency! Declare myself dictator, and do whatever is needed to obliterate the threat. Drop nukes on Iran, since they are the most obvious suspect!

Or, variations of extent...

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RE: Does temperament matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 8:21:26 AM

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I don't think the thread had to do with Republican and Democrat but, with temperament.

My best decisions are made after I lose my temper and calm my ass down but, knowing that, I get angry, I fume then I make decisions not when my temper is in mid rage. I think temperament is very important...look at the temperament of those we think of as successful Presidents. I can't think of men like Lincoln, Washington, FDR, Reagan or Clinton as angry individuals.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 8:36:02 AM

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It all depends on how the Democrat candidate is viewed. If he is known to be a hothead then that's all the rage, because it means he's passionate and emotionally invested

He really cares.

If it's the Republican candidate though, it means that he's dangerous and ill-tempered. Out of control, impulsive...

So, are you saying that a more aggressive approach appeals to you?

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 10:02:19 AM

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An aggressive approach can be appropriate, certainly.

I don't know either candidate well enough on a personal level to pass judgment on them except to say that if John McCain were too ill tempered he would have had past criminal complaints filed against him for battery or other similar crimes, and he hasn't.

Regarding Barack Obama, from what little we know about him, he seems a little too aloof (judging only by all the votes he's missed in his very short career).

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So, are you saying that a more aggressive approach appeals to you?

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 10:32:25 AM

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quote:

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It all depends on how the Democrat candidate is viewed. If he is known to be a hothead then that's all the rage, because it means he's passionate and emotionally invested

He really cares.

If it's the Republican candidate though, it means that he's dangerous and ill-tempered. Out of control, impulsive...

It's just so unfair that everyone is always picking on those poor Republican candidates.

If it doesn't stop I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 10:49:10 AM

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Where did I claim or suggest that anyone was being picked on?

The point (and it was fairly obvious) was that people's allegiance makes the all difference in how these personality differences are perceived and therefore spun.

Back when John McCain was a thorn in the Republican's backside he was loved by the Left on a level similar to the level that Barack Obama is today. But now that he's the GOP candidate, all of that's changed, and he is the very face of the devil... if you believe all the spin.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 11:22:45 AM

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Yes I think it matters somewhat.
Look at Clinton, everything was a joke to him.
Our enemies don't respect weakness like that.
I don't like McCain or Obama but you'd have to say that McCain has the edge in that area.
Obama would try to "talk" to them while McCain would "pour it on" to them.
"Feel good" stuff never works, a predator missile up al qeada's ass *always works*!
I don't want or need a "social worker" in the White House, I want a hard ass manager, not a "leader" a manager.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 11:26:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Where did I claim or suggest that anyone was being picked on?

The point (and it was fairly obvious) was that people's allegiance makes the all difference in how these personality differences are perceived and therefore spun.

Back when John McCain was a thorn in the Republican's backside he was loved by the Left on a level similar to the level that Barack Obama is today. But now that he's the GOP candidate, all of that's changed, and he is the very face of the devil... if you believe all the spin.

I've always respected John McCain for his service to this country. I have enjoyed reading his books and thought the robocalls and smears he had to endure were disgusting. That's why I'm so disappointed that he's allowed his campaign to resort to some of those same tactics .. which is not surprising since he hired the same people who had smeared him back then.

That said, if the same John McCain that we had in 2000 were running today, I think that electoral map would look a whole lot different and it would be Obama who was the underdog and trying to win an uphill battle .. and I don't think he would have won it. But, the fact is, we don't have that guy anymore.

You said it though.. he's the GOP candidate and he's embraced that party fully and completely for a long time now he's tow'd that party line. The maverick sheep'd out and this is the price for it.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 11:34:12 AM

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Fast reply - I think sentimentality is way overrated. Sentimentality seems to be used as an excuse for violent and reprenhensible behaviour. Give me someone who uses reasoning to think things through any day.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 11:35:39 AM

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Thanks for pasting the DNC talking points, I guess.

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I've always respected John McCain for his service to this country. I have enjoyed reading his books and thought the robocalls and smears he had to endure were disgusting. That's why I'm so disappointed that he's allowed his campaign to resort to some of those same tactics .. which is not surprising since he hired the same people who had smeared him back then.

That said, if the same John McCain that we had in 2000 were running today, I think that electoral map would look a whole lot different and it would be Obama who was the underdog and trying to win an uphill battle .. and I don't think he would have won it. But, the fact is, we don't have that guy anymore.

You said it though.. he's the GOP candidate and he's embraced that party fully and completely for a long time now he's tow'd that party line. The maverick sheep'd out and this is the price for it.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 11:41:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Where did I claim or suggest that anyone was being picked on?

The point (and it was fairly obvious) was that people's allegiance makes the all difference in how these personality differences are perceived and therefore spun.

Back when John McCain was a thorn in the Republican's backside he was loved by the Left on a level similar to the level that Barack Obama is today. But now that he's the GOP candidate, all of that's changed, and he is the very face of the devil... if you believe all the spin.

Back in 2000 I stumped for McCain with all my conservative friends. I did not like Bush and I saw McCain as a viable alternative. The thing is that my GOP friends (I used to have many of these before Dubya) did not support McCain because they heard rumors of his ill temper and outbursts and rages. I had a friend that is a history professor, staunch republican, who told me he could not support McCain because he had a screw loose from his POW days... and this was the sort of discussions going on back then about McCain in his own party. I did not believe it then, but I believe it now. I believe it because at his age with his experience he should not allow himself to get visibly angered in a debate. If he cannot control his emotions in that setting when he is doing all he can to control them, he is probably going to be a mess in the Oval Office. It is funny, I thought that rhetoric was just slimy politics back then, and now I see perhaps those observations were rooted somewhere in reality.

I have been asking republicans all summer, if McCain was crazy 8 years ago, what makes him fit to be president now? They never answer

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 11:43:31 AM

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I don't know whether or not it's a DNC talking point or if that matters. It's how I feel as an individual. I'm fairly thoughtful, Sanity. I don't type just to see my words on the screen on important issues. I think anyone who has read my posts will know that. I'm deeply disturbed by the direction this country has taken and Obama and McCain have both contributed to that by helping pass legislation such as the bailout bill and reaffirmation of the Patriot Act and I have done my share of blasting either candidate when I think they need it. You are certainly entitled to your opinions on my motives but I am comfortable with the person who looks back at me when I hold up a mirror.

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RE: Does temperment matter in a candidate? - 10/19/2008 2:45:29 PM

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It is how McCain lost the debates. His temper and rudeness were very apparent compared to Obama's demure.

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