Pavlovian slave training?

Pavlovian slave training? (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Mistress

Message

PavlovsSub -> Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 1:29:18 PM)
Has anyone done this in the context of bdsm? There is tons of medical and scientific info out there, but no bdsm related info that I can find. As of yet, I've met (on the net) exactly one domme who claims to have done it, and let's just say that my instincts don't paint her all that credible. If anyone with first hand experience would like to talk with me off line, that would be appreciated. Or, if anyone knows of credible web sites, I would appreciate the links.

Venatrix -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 2:02:06 PM)
Does this mean you're going to drool all over me?

Chi -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 2:21:25 PM)
PavlovSub: I don’t know if “Pavlov” in your mind equates to the re structuring of reference frames and response conditioning, but if it does, there is unlimited information available and I would offer researching both the applications and techniques pioneered by the Korean Government in the early 50's as a root to the tree of knowledge. Then contatc Mistress Snow White (San Farn.)

sunshinemiss -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 2:29:40 PM)
heck, we do this all the time. The alarm clock rings, we get up. Phone rings, we answer it. Dog barks, we look up. Boss walks in the door, we sweat. hear a song, start to dance. It works in all life. Just be careful. May I recommend you watch the movie Clockwork Orange for an example of Pavlovian conditioning gone haywire.... good luck, sunshine

PavlovsSub -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 2:39:43 PM)
I suppose I could if we got to know each other well. :) Great profile, btw. I enjoyed reading it.

PavlovsSub -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 2:43:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chi PavlovSub: I don’t know if “Pavlov” in your mind equates to the re structuring of reference frames and response conditioning, but if it does, there is unlimited information available and I would offer researching both the applications and techniques pioneered by the Korean Government in the early 50's as a root to the tree of knowledge. Then contatc Mistress Snow White (San Farn.) Yes, that is what I am referring to. I am not lacking in sources of medical and scientidic research, but seek inormation about techiniques applied specifically within a bdsm framework. I will look into your suggestions. Thank you.

Gwynvyd -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 2:55:18 PM)
I have seen and used it before. It really isnt all that hard. I had a sub I broke of smoking over a weekend. Any time she wanted to smoke, I would say No very sharply and show her a picture of a lung cancer patient. I also kept her locked up onlly allowed to use the bathroom the whole weekend. If the craving was still there she would be spanked soundly. She didnt particularly like spankings.. so It worked well. I also kept her very occupied the whole weekend. From then on if she saw a ciggie she would hear my voice, and know that a spanking would be next if she pushed the craving further. The idea of them eventualy made her sick at ther stomach. She has been smoke free for 14 years. I have trained another to wet himself, and another to climax at the sound of certain words from me. It just takes lots of trust, time, and patience. Surrendering your will like that can be dangerous if you intrust it to the wrong person. Be very careful in whom you choose. Gwyn

PavlovsSub -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 3:53:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd I have seen and used it before. It really isnt all that hard. I had a sub I broke of smoking over a weekend. Any time she wanted to smoke, I would say No very sharply and show her a picture of a lung cancer patient. I also kept her locked up onlly allowed to use the bathroom the whole weekend. If the craving was still there she would be spanked soundly. She didnt particularly like spankings.. so It worked well. I also kept her very occupied the whole weekend. From then on if she saw a ciggie she would hear my voice, and know that a spanking would be next if she pushed the craving further. The idea of them eventualy made her sick at ther stomach. She has been smoke free for 14 years. I have trained another to wet himself, and another to climax at the sound of certain words from me. It just takes lots of trust, time, and patience. Surrendering your will like that can be dangerous if you intrust it to the wrong person. Be very careful in whom you choose. Gwyn Thank you for sharing. As for being careful, I have been into bdsm since 1978. I don't live in fear, but neither am I reckless. A little uncommon sense goes a long way.

hardbodysub -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 5:11:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chi PavlovSub: I don’t know if “Pavlov” in your mind equates to the re structuring of reference frames and response conditioning, but if it does, there is unlimited information available and I would offer researching both the applications and techniques pioneered by the Korean Government in the early 50's as a root to the tree of knowledge. Then contatc Mistress Snow White (San Farn.) Out of curiousity, I searched for Mistress Snow White on CollarMe and MaxFisch, and also Googled her, and didn't find anything. Can you give some idea on how to find her?

VampiresLair -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 5:17:13 PM)
I've had subs who could only climax when certain smells were present. Others who knew that certain unconscious motions would lead to punishment (I had a girl who scratched her head bloody without even realizing it, until i changed that) who stopped doig them. Now, the sound of my camera turning on gets Fox hard.... so, its used often in a BDSM context as well. You may have only met one Domme who called it pavlovian training, but thats just semantics. DV

practicaldom58 -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 10:03:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VampiresLair I've had subs who could only climax when certain smells were present. Others who knew that certain unconscious motions would lead to punishment (I had a girl who scratched her head bloody without even realizing it, until i changed that) who stopped doig them. Now, the sound of my camera turning on gets Fox hard.... so, its used often in a BDSM context as well. You may have only met one Domme who called it pavlovian training, but thats just semantics. DV Semantics it may be, but semantics doesn't always equate to trivial. I can hit a baseball. That doesn't make me a baseball player. I don't disagree with anything you said, but that still doesn't equate to a planned course of action with a desired result. It certainly can't hurt to throw it out there and see who swings at it.

ericpup -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/19/2008 10:12:58 PM)
I had a Mistress that would play Frankie Goes to Hollywood's "Relax" at least one time during a session. Now, every time I hear that song, I get hard. Is that a pavlovian reflex? Or just a happy memory?

beeble -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 3:13:44 AM)
quote: sunshinemiss wrote: heck, we do this all the time. The alarm clock rings, we get up. Phone rings, we answer it. Dog barks, we look up. Boss walks in the door, we sweat. hear a song, start to dance. Your first three examples aren't Pavlovian. Getting up and answering telephones are conscious decisions -- consider the number of times you hit snooze and roll over, or ignore the phone. Attempting to identify a possible threat is a natural (i.e., not conditioned) reaction of almost all animals. beeble

PeonForHer -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 3:33:50 AM)
I can't see why it wouldn't work, PS. As sunshinemiss says, it's part of everyone's ordinary, daily life. But if you know the lit on behavioural therapy, you'll know the hideous extents to which some of these "therapies" have been taken. The 'Clockwork Orange' nightmare isn't so far from the truth: etched in my memory are those attempts to "cure homosexuality" by inducing pain in subjects each time they got aroused by gay erotica. As Gwynvyd says: a shedload of trust required in one's 'trainer' before embarking on this route.

MsStarlett -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 3:50:36 AM)
I am currently trying to train Peon to 'stand up and salute' every time he sees my nick on the boards.

PeonForHer -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 3:57:57 AM)
For a split second I wondered what the word "nick" meant! [:D]

Chi -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 4:00:33 AM)
PavlovsSub, you have mail.

hardbodysub -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 5:38:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PavlovsSub quote: ORIGINAL: Chi PavlovSub: I don’t know if “Pavlov” in your mind equates to the re structuring of reference frames and response conditioning, but if it does, there is unlimited information available and I would offer researching both the applications and techniques pioneered by the Korean Government in the early 50's as a root to the tree of knowledge. Then contatc Mistress Snow White (San Farn.) Yes, that is what I am referring to. I am not lacking in sources of medical and scientidic research, but seek inormation about techiniques applied specifically within a bdsm framework. I will look into your suggestions. Thank you. Like PavlovSub, I would also love to learn where to find such information, particularly in a femdom setting.

thetammyjo -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 6:37:40 AM)
Purposely condition a slave? I don't have time for that and we are talking about a good time investment. However simply consistency can change someone's perception of things. When we began, spanking like all impact play was just pain for Fox and he is not a masochist. Over the course of about three years he learned to enjoy it and crave it so much that he activity puts his butt out for a good spanking several times a week now. I didn't set about to change him, I'm fine with my property suffering for me, he need not enjoy everything we do. Put I am a very consistent person. When ever we do something I enjoy and he doesn't I make sure to build up, to give him positive encouragement and to combine it with other sensual touching I know he enjoys. Over time things just changed for him. This can also work with things you aren't expecting. My allergies can act up terribly so a good number of nights I use a balm to help keep my airways a bit clearer. Over the course of a year Fox has started to just sniff this balm on his own even if I don't need it a particular night. When I asked him why he said it made him feel safe like when he's kneeling at my feet and hugging me... which is one of the parts of our bedtime ritual. It's not a good or bad connection, just a change that has happened. I'm sure similar changes have happened to me too i just can't think of any.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Pavlovian slave training? (10/20/2008 7:36:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beeble quote: sunshinemiss wrote: heck, we do this all the time. The alarm clock rings, we get up. Phone rings, we answer it. Dog barks, we look up. Boss walks in the door, we sweat. hear a song, start to dance. Your first three examples aren't Pavlovian. Getting up and answering telephones are conscious decisions -- consider the number of times you hit snooze and roll over, or ignore the phone. Attempting to identify a possible threat is a natural (i.e., not conditioned) reaction of almost all animals. beeble are you kidding? Do you know how many people answer the phone without thinking? I'll grant you that in this day and age of identifying who is calling it is less common, but not everyone has that ability. Hitting the snooze, ok YOU have a different conditioned response than I do. As for identifying a threat? Come on... we tell dogs all the time "hush" but we don't really look for a threat. If the dog is going crazy, yes, but generally speaking it's a conditioned response. Now, as far as Pavlov. Pavlov was not a behaviorist. He was studying something completely different. He found that when people came in and rang the bell with food, the dogs salivate. The ringing of the bell, no food, created the salivating in the dogs. Same thing. And might I add... some dogs responded to the stimuli stronger than others. The bottom line of pavlovian conditioning is to pair one stimulus with another that creates a reaction and then the original stimulus will create the reaction. Bell + food = salivation because the food creates salivation.... THEN Bell only creates salivation. The exciting part happens when the conditioned response (the salivation) happens without the pairing of the stimulus (the food) that creates the reaction. Only the conditioned stimulus (the bell) creates the reaction. Then intermittently pairing the stimuli makes for the response. That is how gambling gets you! ooo exciting! and to the OP: Thanks for the compliment. Glad you enjoyed the profile. Have fun but be careful. sunshine

Page: [1] 2 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.03125