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slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Health Care/Tax Plan (10/20/2008 10:01:44 AM)

Bita,that was our present President's daddy,don't sweat it they are easy to confuse...hence McSame.




BitaTruble -> RE: McCain Health Care/Tax Plan (10/20/2008 10:04:59 AM)

Oh crap! You're right! You know what.. I'd be laughing my ass off it that weren't so fucking scary!

Well, in all fairness, Mike.. they're not 'exactly' the same.. only 90% the same. [;)]




slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Health Care/Tax Plan (10/20/2008 10:09:40 AM)

What if the ten % he disagrees with Bush on....is the 10 % the idiot(bush) gets right?




NuminousLeader -> RE: McCain Health Care/Tax Plan (10/20/2008 10:26:23 AM)

Bush Right?????  On what???? 




slvemike4u -> RE: McCain Health Care/Tax Plan (10/20/2008 10:34:20 AM)

Hey,no fair asking tough questions...




MmeGigs -> RE: McCain Health Care/Tax Plan (10/20/2008 6:34:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: snappykappy
i like the way bozo barack stated that individuals can get the same kind of insurance as both he and mccaine have


There's no reason that they can't.  What they've got for health insurance is what used to be fairly standard for employer-provided coverage.  It's really the kind of coverage we all need.  Comprehensive coverage with affordable co-pays and deductibles. 

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duh here is the catch to that they do not pay for the insurance it is the public who pay for it and also they get a retirement of a large percent of what they make for both them and their spouse


This is the deal that most folks making over median wage get.  They don't pay for their insurance (or pay for a small percentage of it) directly and pay an affordable amount in co-pays and deductibles.  Health insurance and a retirement plan and the tax benefits of these things are part of their compensation.  Many workers and unions have accepted lower pay increases for many years to keep their employer-provided group health benefits because they understood what a burden to employers these things are.  When the tax incentives go away (as they will under the McCain plan) and employers find that they are paying more in taxes to offer these benefits, many employers will stop offering the benefits and/or require higher employee contributions.  As an employee, I'll be taxed on what my employer provides for me and on what I personally spend on health care.  Personally, I'll be screwed, and I'm not in a high-income group.  I'll have the option to purchase other coverage, but it won't be as good as what my employer is providing for me now.  Under the McCain plan I'll have myriad choices for coverage, but the insurance company I buy fron can set up in the state with the most lax regulations.  My state insurance regulators will be basically powerless to help me in a dispute, but under the McCain plan they'll be responsible for working these things out which will mean more tax $ at the state level for negotiation and litigation.  Under the McCain plan (which is also more or less the AMA "Voice for the Uninsured" plan), the only people who will be benefited are the insurance companies and those who invest in them. 

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time to have it where the senators and representatives do not get the golden parachute and have to scrimp and scrape like the rest of us


How will giving them worse health care coverage improve health care coverage for the rest of us?  Wouldn't it make more sense to make sure we all have good coverage than to make sure they have crappy coverage?




BitaTruble -> RE: McCain Health Care/Tax Plan (10/20/2008 6:55:52 PM)

We pay for a lot more than just health care benefits, too.

Check out this link .. all at taxpayer expense.




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