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Irishknight -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 7:31:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Me too, and I hate kissing boys. Thats OK. "Cause I'm a mayun." Sorry. Had to say it in my best hick typing. I could always shave my beard back down to a goatee and you could pretend it was something else.

kittinSol -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 7:33:15 AM)
You'd still have a mayun brayun though [:D] .

Irishknight -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 7:34:18 AM)
And I promise to keep my man brain in my pants.

LaTigresse -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 7:35:57 AM)
I was just playing off the Kate Perry song.........something about I kissed a girl. But, the way you spelled man made me think of Funyuns (spelling)

Irishknight -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 7:37:59 AM)
I've never reminded a lady of funyuns before.

MrRodgers -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:26:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble There was a bit of an oopsy earlier in the McCain campaign which, effectively, said that a terror attack on the US would be good for McCain. An Al-queda website apparently agrees with him. Would a terror attack on US soil change your vote? Why or why not? Let's get something straight right now....just to be clear about whom we post. The term 'Al-Qaida' is a creation of the CIA subsequent to the Afgans and the US military kicking out the Russians. There was/is no network of terrorist cells around world and certainly no 60,000 people or 60 countries involved as the neocons tried to manufacture. After 9/11 the Al-Qaida name wa used to promulgate misinformation. (propaganda) There are no hi-tech undergroung bunkers and most of the intelligence community here and around the world knew that we would hunting empty caves in Afganistan and in Pakistan. Truth be known...the Islamic Jihad was directed first against the autocratic and 'non-pure muslim' leaders of the middle-east. They tried to inspire revolution there...it failed. The Jihad wanted Bin Laden's money and after this revolution failed and the people did not rise-up...Bin Laden wanted to take attacks to America. The Jihadists (maybe what the CIA named Al-Qaida) and their leaders refused and did NOT want to attack America. While the Jihadists needed Bin Laden's money they ONLY allowed him to recruit terrorists from his ranks, IF they wanted to go along. Two Saudis came to Bin Laden and asked that they be allowed to do just that. They had no name at all. Bin Laden ONLY supplied his money and influence and had nothing otherwise to do with 9/11. The arabs have and because WE charged them with 9/11, ONLY then...picked up the name Al-Qaida. To answer the OP...it doesn't matter at ALL what Al-Qaida has to say for all we know they are a band of loose crazies without any terrorist capabilities at all and may have little more than a website.

thetammyjo -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:26:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: You have to go back much further than one presidency to understand what is happening today. I'd say you need to go back to at least WWII to fully comprehend American policies in the Middle East that have encouraged (not caused) radical Islam as we know it today. Stopping at one president you don't like isn't knowing the full history and only demonstrate what I was saying about how sad it is that people do not know their own nation's history. Well, I'd say you'd have to blame the Ottoman Empire for the particular strand of radical Islam (Wahabism) that Bin Laden follows. You can blame allied Europe for their actions after World War I, especially not keeping their promises to Arab allies that helped defeat the Ottomans. We can even blame Woodrow Wilson for being so naive when dealing with Europe after that war. You can try and blame Reagan for arming the partisans in Afghanistan, but you'd be wrong. The Soviets were a much larger threat at the time, and Reagan acted accordingly. We can blame Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton for ignoring Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal. Unfortunately we don't have a time machine, or we could go back and change these things. I don't know what your point is. It has nothing to do with the current election. You can make pompous declarations about the ignorance of American voters all you want, but you're not going to get me with that nonsense. I was a history major, I know what happened in the Muslim world for the last 1000 years. It doesn't change my opinion of Obama. He is the wrong choice; he is Jimmy Carter II. I have not interest in changing your vote. Vote whatever you think is best but do not expect everyone else to agree with you. As a former history major you should realize that it all matters... it is complex and we need someone who can deal with complexity in my opinion. I see that more in Obama than in McCain but neither of them were or are my ideal choice.

RainydayNE -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:27:16 AM)
no it wouldn't change my vote mccain makes me nervous because he sometimes seems like he has a chip on his shoulder that would NOT give me confidence if there was a terror attack

Sanity -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:28:56 AM)
It's as if you're saying that Muslims are less than human, people who haven't the capacity to live in peace. If you really believe that, then why aren't you overtly advocating our militarlily suppressing them... like you advocate for Saddam. And why would you back someone like Obama, who advocates negotiateing with them? According to your position, that is foolishness on his part. quote: ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne slave boy, If you think there is not going to be some kind of civil was in Iraq then you obviously have never paid much attention to the Middle East. It is not a matter of if, only when. You have a group of people who do not like one another and take every chance they can to fight amongst themselves. The only thing that held any of them in check for so long was Sadam and his iron fist. K

kittinSol -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:36:39 AM)
It's incredible to me that people like you persist in calling the many citizens of numerous countries 'Muslims' as if they were one.

MrRodgers -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:40:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: As a historian I am so saddened when folks just ignore the facts of events even within their lifetimes. I can forgive not knowing what happened in 1900 or 1500 or 500 or 500bce but I can't forgive folks "forgetting" what has happened in just the past few decades. That's being unpatriotic and unamerican and downright dangerous to democracy of any type. What has happened in the past few decades, Tammy? I remember 8 years under a Democrat administration, part of which he shared power with a Democratic Congress. In that short period of time; Al Qaeda tried to blow up the World Trade Center, blew up American embassies in Africa, participated in killing American soldiers in Somalia, attacked the USS Cole and killed several American sailors, repeatedly threatened to kill Americans anywhere in the world, and on and on. President Clinton did NOTHING. We had a chance to get Bin Laden from Sudan under Clinton's watch, and he bungled it. We had a chance to kill the son of a bitch several times, and Clinton bungled that. So I am saddened when I see sheep worshipping a man, who wants to "sit down" and chat with representatives of theocratic governments who deny the Holocaust, hang homosexuals, stone rape victims, and call for the destruction of Israel. I am saddened to see people actually believe that Obama will wave a magic wand and pull our troops out of Iraq without starting a civil war that would destabilize an entire region necessary for the world's energy needs. Of course those same people don't worry, because they actually believe this magical man will pull the same magic to supply all of our energy with windmills and solar farms. Obama supporters are dreamers and idealists. It's sad to see adults that are actually that naive. Wasn't Al-Qaida or any terrorist 'network.' Every one was either Islamic Jihad or the host government as in the case of Algeria. Tanzania was a target that was to brutalize the Tanzanians and have the people rise up and in no way was directed at the US. NONE of what you describe was perpetrated by Al-Qaida. In 1993 Al-Qaida didn't exist even as a ruse which is why the CIA created it. The bombing of the WTC was aided and abetted by the FBI even hiring a Saudi for $1 million to pose as a terrorist. He even asked just to make sure "This is not real...correct ? It's just a drill to test defenses...correct, being told it was nothing more than smoke and noise. NO, It WAS real and after the bombing...disappeared. The US prosecuted a blind muslim cleric, found him guilty and DIDN'T execute him...just deported him. Convicted of killing what was it...7 people and NOT executed. The goal was to get the 'Patriot Act' passed. It didn't work...not enough dead.

puella -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:46:48 AM)
No, because I have already factored that into my decision making process of who should lead the country. Someday, we will have another terrorist attack. To live in fear and panic of that is to cripple your intellect and your life. Part of what should go into any reasoned decison on whom I would vote for would deal with that problem (but only PART). What also goes into my reasoning is what might help to prevent such an event. So, short answer, no it wont CHANGE my vote, it was factored in to begin with.

DomKen -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:47:52 AM)
MrRodgers, please stop making things up. Omar Abdel-Rahman was not deported after being convicted he is presently in the Butner Federal Correctional Institution. The rest of your stuff about Al Qaida is wrong both in detail and in general.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:53:26 AM)
quote: NONE of what you describe was perpetrated by Al-Qaida. In 1993 A;-Qaida didn;t exist///even as a ruse which is what it is. The bombing of the WTC was aided and abetted by the FBI even hiring a Saudi for $1 million to pose as a terrorist. He even asked just to make sure "This is not real...correct ? It's just a drill to test defenses...correct, being told it was nothing more than smoke and noise. All of it was perpetrated by Al Qaida. In 1993, it certainly did exist and was in direct contact with the culprits. The rest of what you wrote is just conspiracy theory nonsense. I imagine you believe the Israelis and the U.S. are the true culprits behind September 11. quote: NO, It WAS real and after the bombing...disappeared. The US prosecuted a blind muslim cleric, found him guilty and DIDN'T execute him...just deported him. Convicted of killing what was it...7 people and NOT executed. The goal was to get the 'Patriot Act' passed. It didn't work...not enough dead. I assume you're referring to Omar Ahmad Rahman AKA "the blind Sheik." You're incorrect about his fate. He wasn't deported. He is currently serving a life sentence in the Federal Medical Center in the Butner Federal Correctional Complex.

SilverMark -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 8:54:02 AM)
"Obama and Biden are already talking about invading Pakistan "<------Sanity I see you are up to misrepresenting the facts again....It must must really piss you off to watch the demise of your candidate. An incursion into Pakistan to take out Bin Laden, if possible and if the Pakistanis can't or won't, is not tantamount to the mess your right wing water boarders have perpetrated on the American public and that we are still paying for. But hey, what's 10 billion a month among such good people as us?

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 9:05:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It's incredible to me that people like you persist in calling the many citizens of numerous countries 'Muslims' as if they were one. It's some kind of bizarre manifestation of Tourette's. [8D] Al Qaeda isn't in my Arabic phrasebook, but I am given to understand that it means "the database" " Saad Al-Faqih, a Saudi expert on al-Qaida, has stated that the name al-Qaida, "...originated from a documentation system in the Bait al-Ansar guesthouse back in the 1980s."[30] The United Kingdom politician Robin Cook, who served as the United Kingdom Foreign Secretary and Leader of the House of Commons described Al-Qaeda as meaning "the database" and a product of western miscalculation. Cook wrote, "Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."" from Wikipedia At any rate, the Bushites have massively bungled everything about this so-called "War on Tewwow (/Elmer Fudd[:D])". What color is your Tewwow Alert today? [8D]

AMaster -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 9:09:19 AM)
No, because Mc Cane it the only choice. With everything going on in the world, it is no time to get someone with no experience to lead. Remember Carter?

PlayfulOne -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 9:22:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity It's as if you're saying that Muslims are less than human, people who haven't the capacity to live in peace. If you really believe that, then why aren't you overtly advocating our militarlily suppressing them... like you advocate for Saddam. And why would you back someone like Obama, who advocates negotiateing with them? According to your position, that is foolishness on his part. quote: ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne slave boy, If you think there is not going to be some kind of civil was in Iraq then you obviously have never paid much attention to the Middle East. It is not a matter of if, only when. You have a group of people who do not like one another and take every chance they can to fight amongst themselves. The only thing that held any of them in check for so long was Sadam and his iron fist. K "let's twist again like we did last summer' Who actually are the "muslims"? The region is made up of many different people and tribes who we know dislike one another. They would all be better of if they could get over it, but none of the different groups have so any inclination to do it. Do we remember how WW I started? Do we remember what happened when the Soviet Union released their grip on the area? Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it. K

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 9:40:37 AM)
No it would not. Missed your 2nd question, eta: After the war now, I have no confidence in the Republican party to handle another attack right. They already screwed up the first one beyond measure.

Real_Trouble -> RE: Would Terror attack change your vote? (10/22/2008 10:55:04 AM)
No, I'm voting for Obama precisely because I think he's going to handle international politics much more adeptly than McCain. A terror attack would only reinforce my vote, not alter it. McCain is dangerous; the top-down military policy we have been pursuing is quite simply incorrect. Read any number of books or writings by people who truly understand insurgency and non-state warfare (Richards, Vandergriff, Sheehan, Boyd's writings on conflict, etc) and you can see we're doing exactly the wrong thing to the largest possible degree we can to stabilize many situations. I mean, for fuck's sake, drug cartels are taking over the Mexican government and we're not even aware of it! How can you expect a president to effectively guide our defense against non-state threats when they don't even know where they are?

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