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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:11:19 PM   
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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:12:39 PM   
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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:13:12 PM   
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not yet, but probably not far off, with all the snorts some of these posts have caused me....

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when you snort at my remarks you have to snort TWICE...one for my male side one for my female side.


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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:13:40 PM   
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I find that people choose to be just as offended as they want to be.


Well that's true.

The homophobic community is afraid they will not be able to persecute gays.

The real issue is whether it is the role of the government to facilitate the persecution of a peaceful, law-abiding, tax-paying segment of the population.

Homophobes say "yes".

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:18:42 PM   
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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:23:29 PM   
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I believe you are saying that gayness, for lack of a better word, is a physical development caused by some sort of error during development of the brain in the womb. And not a result of environment.


"error"?

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We have all known the truly gay man or woman…there is no doubt they are trapped in the wrong body.


"wrong body" ??

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I’m not saying what is right or wrong…


???

"error" ... "wrong body" ... it does indeed sound like value judgments to me.

Why can't we just view them as "different", as we all are different?

Somke men are born short, women born tall. Do we claim they're bodies made an "error", or that they were born in the "wrong body" because they do not fit within the stereotypes?

I would never suggest to a black person he or she was born in the "wrong body" due to their colour, despite the outrageous prejudice practised by many people. Nor would I suggest their colour was an "error".

So why do it when it comes to homosexuality?

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:26:09 PM   
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i always wondered if i married...that i would count as two people since i am biologically/genetically female and male....

just think...if i divorce my male side would get 50% and the female side would get 50% leaving the ex NOTHING!!!  anyone wanna marry me?



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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:37:14 PM   
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I believe you are saying that gayness, for lack of a better word, is a physical development caused by some sort of error during development of the brain in the womb. And not a result of environment.


"error"?

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We have all known the truly gay man or woman…there is no doubt they are trapped in the wrong body.


"wrong body" ??

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I’m not saying what is right or wrong…


???

"error" ... "wrong body" ... it does indeed sound like value judgments to me.

Why can't we just view them as "different", as we all are different?

Somke men are born short, women born tall. Do we claim they're bodies made an "error", or that they were born in the "wrong body" because they do not fit within the stereotypes?

I would never suggest to a black person he or she was born in the "wrong body" due to their colour, despite the outrageous prejudice practised by many people. Nor would I suggest their colour was an "error".

So why do it when it comes to homosexuality?


Johnny I do understand what you are saying....But... there was an error in nature... The normal brain as determined by nature needs a man to desire a woman...just so the species can reproduce. There is a mistake that short-circuits this development in gays. I did not say it was bad...just a mistake of nature.

Same with the body...a truly gay man is a woman in a mans body. In some cases everything gets messed up both physically and mentally. They are mistakes at least compared with the norm.

I am not using mistake in a derogatory way…maybe another term like outside the norm would be better…but silly.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:48:05 PM   
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So it would be okay to make interracial couples use a different word too? 

No.. because you have a visual indicator... if one is interested in knowing.
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  And to change the status of those who can't have ums is absurd.
 Now wouldn't it be nice to know.. in your inital get-aquainted conversation that the party you are interested in has maybe procreated 7 times? Or that the love of your anticipated life might want a brood?  That's what I mean.  Just proposing a way to cut to the chase.
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We could force them to wear patches on their clothing that say "gay" or "nonbreeder." 
Some people would be proud to have that known up front.
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Then we could make them mark their businesses so that no "decent hetero breeders" would dobusiness with them.  Doesn't that happen anyway?Oh yeah, then we can put them in camps to further avoid confusion.   When we get enough of them in the camps, lets just gas them and experiment on them too.  But lets make it all look respectable by saying that we are protecting the "sanctity of marriage."
  I don't respond to rants.

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And as for your dictionary definition, it depends on which dictionary and which printing.  Quoting the current "approved" definition in no way changes the past definition and in no way validates it as the original definition.  But since you have a dictionary, look up the words "bigotry," "persecution." and "tolerance."  Seperate but equal is two of those but not the third.  It also misses "fair," "compassionate" and "legal."  If we allow gays to be treated this way then we create a lower class who we can walk on and eventually treat as human chattel.
  Have I said anyplace that gays should not get married???  I'm just trying to find a simple way to define the situation so people of our different persuations can find each other.  Do you think it's best to have them closeted in thier relationship?  I'm proposeing an even wider opening of the door.
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If your gay brother or sister decided they wanted to marry, one of us would fight for their rights.  I don't profess to love your siblings but I would stand up for their rights. 
And I really wouldn't care what they chose to do.  It's their life and every life has battles.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:49:14 PM   
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The normal brain as determined by nature needs a man to desire a woman...just so the species can reproduce. There is a mistake that short-circuits this development in gays. I did not say it was bad...just a mistake of nature.



....not necessarily. Some research has suggested that being gay is not a mistake, or an error, but a naturally occuring piece of brain chemistry in everyone......switched on in some when the population becomes dense enough.  It is not necessary or even desirable that every member of a population must be breeders.......over-population can be the result.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:51:23 PM   
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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:52:04 PM   
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Now wouldn't it be nice to know.. in your inital get-aquainted conversation that the party you are interested in has maybe procreated 7 times? Or that the love of your anticipated life might want a brood?  That's what I mean.  Just proposing a way to cut to the chase.


.......nope, still not convinced. Why not just make everyone have a barcode on their forehead and give everyone one of them store barcode readers?  As to finding out things about people, that's what conversation is for. Semantic ways to divide the population are not necessary or desireable.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:56:02 PM   
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Johnny I do understand what you are saying....But... there was an error in nature... The normal brain as determined by nature needs a man to desire a woman...just so the species can reproduce. There is a mistake that short-circuits this development in gays. I did not say it was bad...just a mistake of nature.

Same with the body...a truly gay man is a woman in a mans body. In some cases everything gets messed up both physically and mentally. They are mistakes at least compared with the norm.

I am not using mistake in a derogatory way…maybe another term like outside the norm would be better…but silly.

Butch


I think I see the cause for confusion.

You are viewing this from the macro level: for the species to continue there must be offspring, anything that prevents that is a "mistake".

I do not share that point of view.

First off the idea of survival of a species does not mean every member of the species must propagate. Only enough to replace those who are lost.

As there will never be a perfect harmony of 1:1 replacement, there will always be some who have more than enough, and some who have none.

I see no reason to argue that homosexuality is not one of the ways in which this balance is struck.

As for being a woman trapped in a man's body, I must object to that point of view as well.

It is entrenched in the social belief that only men find women attractive, and vice versa.

What do we make of societies where homosexuality was not viewed as an aberration: such as Athenian society?

Do we say an entire society of people existed where women were trapped in men's bodies?

We live in a heterosexual-centric society where all paradigms start with the assumption that boy meets girl, boy marries girl.

Remove the ~cultural~ bias and review the beliefs: there is precious little to support them outside the bias.

Thus I refuse to view any gender preference as an "error" because the basis for that judgment is cultural, not biological.

There is no biological evidence to support the belief that ~all~ members of a species must prefer members of the opposite gender. The survival of a species does not require such an adaptation. It is enough to replace those that are lost, and not all need propagate to accomplish this.

And if you wish to argue that someone truly gay is a person trapped in the body of the opposite gender, how do you explain femme lesbians?

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:56:16 PM   
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With brilliance like that you ought to marry yourself


i would but i only marry for money ...and i have none ....although its legal to marry yourself in some countries...and its also legal to marry inanimate objects in some countries too.

some people for instance have married the eiffel tower.

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:58:49 PM   
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So it would be okay to make interracial couples use a different word too? 

No.. because you have a visual indicator... if one is interested in knowing.


Well there's your solution.

Gays can legally marry as long as they have "faggot" tattooed across their foreheads.

Thus they too would have a "visual indicator".

Won't that make the homophobic community happy?

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:59:44 PM   
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The normal brain as determined by nature needs a man to desire a woman...just so the species can reproduce. There is a mistake that short-circuits this development in gays. I did not say it was bad...just a mistake of nature.



....not necessarily. Some research has suggested that being gay is not a mistake, or an error, but a naturally occuring piece of brain chemistry in everyone......switched on in some when the population becomes dense enough.  It is not necessary or even desirable that every member of a population must be breeders.......over-population can be the result.


Sorry that does not make sense to me... that would mean there would be a greater percentage of gays in countries like China and India… or densely populated cities like New York. I haven't read anything to back that up…have you?

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 4:59:57 PM   
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Gays can legally marry as long as they have "faggot" tattooed across their foreheads.


i wear a shirt that says "im not gay...but YOUR girlfriend is..."  note the "YOUR"


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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 5:05:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Johnny we are just using different words to describe a fact. You believe it is part of a grand design...where I believe it is a mistake of nature. I guess our argument is a little like the half full or half empty glass. But in the end there is no less worth to the person affected but just a difference in description of origin.

Butch

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 5:06:02 PM   
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Gays can legally marry as long as they have "faggot" tattooed across their foreheads.


i wear a shirt that says "im not gay...but YOUR girlfriend is..."  note the "YOUR"



I think the homophobic community would object.

On laundry day they might confuse you for being one of them.

And it is too easy for you to wear your "I'm STRAIGHT" t-shirt and lurk in a bar to pick off those lonely straight girls.

You know how they hate competition

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RE: Gay marriage - 10/23/2008 5:06:20 PM   
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Sorry that does not make sense to me... that would mean there would be a greater percentage of gays in countries like China and India… or densely populated cities like New York. I haven't read anything to back that up…have you?

Butch



....you're right......however, societal pressures in a given culture prevent or encourage expression of such things. Until homophobia is eradicated from the planet like the nasty bigotry it is we'll never get a clear picture.

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