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aravain -> God in your play? (10/22/2008 12:43:40 PM)

This question is the result of a fairly expansive philosophical debate that was both intriguing and disinteresting to me. I felt passionate about my responses, but unsure of their truth, which usually leads to self-detaching from the discussion. This is one idea that I'm trying to latch onto for a bit longer, though.

So here's the question:

Do you incorporate deific nature into your play?

This could be in any number of ways, but the strictest definition is "Making divine" or something similar. I'm interested to see how many people incorporate a sense of godliness, or lack thereof, into their lifestyle, play, or sexuality. How does this lifestyle/play/sexuality affect your religiousnes and/or spirituality? DOES it affect either? Is it a dispassionate release from reality, or a truely changing event... each time? What are your answers? What are your insights?

Descartes said:
  1. When I imagine a triangle, although there may nowhere in the world be such a figure outside my thought, or ever have been, there is nevertheless in this figure, a certain determinate nature, form, or essence, which is immutable and eternal, which I have not invented, and which in no wise depends on my mind. (Med. 5)
  2. I not less find the idea of God, that is . . . the idea of a supremely perfect Being, in me, than that of any figure or number. (Med. 5)
  3. I clearly see that existence can no more be separated from the essence of God than can its having its three angles equal to two right angles can be separated from the essence of a triangle, or the idea of a mountain from the idea of a valley. (Med. 5)
  4. [N]ot that my thought can bring this to pass, or impose any necessity on things, but, on the contrary . . . the necessity which lies in the thing itself . . . determines me to think this way. (Med. 5) 

(from here)
But the Nihilist agenda disagrees entirely with the idea, postulating that there IS no diety, no afterlife, and therefore no reason to live... but we should have the courage to live it anyways.

What do you all think? How does it affect you in your play/lifestyle/sexuality?

DOES it affect your sexuality/lifestyle/play, or do you tend to ignore or not place much weight to it?

Feed me answers! [:)]



Mercnbeth -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 12:45:53 PM)

beth sometimes shouts "Oh God!!"



CatdeMedici -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 12:53:31 PM)

I am a spiritual being and as such that extends into all that I do, touch, treasure, care for and think.
 
<note: I did not mention God>



IvyMorgan -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 1:07:53 PM)

Sometimes play can be spiritual, in that I tap into the same parts of myself as I do when I meditate.  However, it's fairly separate from my view of religion/god/deity.



NihilusZero -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 1:23:36 PM)

I have an agenda?



myotherself -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 2:24:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

beth sometimes shouts "Oh God!!"


Dammit - beat me to it!

Although I have been known to call for His son too....[8|]



LaTigresse -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 2:28:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I am a spiritual being and as such that extends into all that I do, touch, treasure, care for and think.
 
<note: I did not mention God>


This sums up my feelings on the subject.



IronBear -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 2:57:49 PM)

"God in your play"? Probably, I'm damned sure that I've seen Kewrnunos wandering about the dungeon and when the play turnes sexual you can bet your bottom boppo that Pan is there filled with lust and wicked playfullness. Besides the Goddess in her various forms is there too..  I'd be suprised if one of the deities wasn't there at most play times seeing the loud volumes of invoking to be heard: "Oh God! God don't stop! Oh my God....Oh my God....Oh my God....Oh my God....OH GOD!!!!!!!!!!" Seems to me that even a deaf deity couldn't miss hearing those calls and woulkd just have to trot in to check pout what was happening. As to weather or not I deliberately invoke or include any deity in my play, the answer is not intentionally but as any experienced Pagan will tell you, our Deities are involved with every part of our lives, rest, work or play. On the other hand when I use some BDSM areas as part of sexual rituals, it is not play but a carefully designed rite and yes one ot more Deities are deliberately invoked . 



Twicehappy2x -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 3:05:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

"God in your play"? Probably, I'm damned sure that I've seen Kewrnunos wandering about the dungeon and when the play turnes sexual you can bet your bottom boppo that Pan is there filled with lust and wicked playfullness.


Ah, IB, fall is the time i think most often of the stag horned one. Something about the harvests coming in, the cool temps, the foggy evenings.
 
I too think that our deities are often present when we celebrate the pleasures bestowed upon us.
 
As to the OP's post; yes my religion plays a huge role in my personality, so it is present in all of my life, though not obviously or intentionally on my part.
 



DavanKael -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 3:14:11 PM)

I've been known to invoke the G- word despite my rather spiritual agnosticism. 
I think sex, including D/s, is, at its best a spiritual act. 
And, ideally, when I am in such a circumstances, the thought of 'Thou art god, I am god, and all that groks is god" is prevalent.   (Robert Heinlein's words that speak so very well to my own thoughts and orientations on such things).



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 3:24:07 PM)

I have been a proponent of the "everything that groks is god" philosophy for a while... I'm beginning to suspect that humans are nearly incapable of grokking, though, and so make abysmal gods. I don't consider myself set apart in this, which is why I am thinking that atheism is a realistic 'next step' for my spiritual journey.



tweedydaddy -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 3:43:26 PM)

There is always the concept of the Hierosgasmos, the sexual meetings of dieties represented by physical forms, but that's traditonal witchcraft and it's been going in since forever.



ExSteelAgain -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 3:55:43 PM)

The right sized Bible makes a great paddle.



CatdeMedici -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 3:57:20 PM)

you ARE totally evil, I do adore it.



Wickad -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 3:57:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aravain

(snipped)
But the Nihilist agenda disagrees entirely with the idea, postulating that there IS no diety, no afterlife, and therefore no reason to live... but we should have the courage to live it anyways.



I have to disagree with the whole nihilist train of thought.  Just because one does not believe in a diety, or an afterlife it does not mean that they believe there is no reason to live.  Some see the absence of an afterlife as the most important reason to live, and live well.  If the only thing that will ever reflect on one's life or passage through it are the impacts we have on that life ... well, then leaving a legacy is even more important.

Just an off topic moment.  Please return to your regularly scheduled thread.

Wickad



Coupleofwhats -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 4:14:57 PM)

I've been thinking about getting a latex nun's habit.



IronBear -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 4:53:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy

There is always the concept of the Hierosgasmos, the sexual meetings of dieties represented by physical forms, but that's traditonal witchcraft and it's been going in since forever.

I rather think old chap that it's a tad wider dispersed than traditional witchcraft (both European and British) as many tribal folk have since recorded history had deities represented in physical form. For example the Egyptian culture and other middle eastern ones for a start. Other than that I concur..



DavanKael -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 5:11:49 PM)

Calla Said:  I have been a proponent of the "everything that groks is god" philosophy for a while... I'm beginning to suspect that humans are nearly incapable of grokking, though, and so make abysmal gods. I don't consider myself set apart in this, which is why I am thinking that atheism is a realistic 'next step' for my spiritual journey.

My reply: I am only an egg.  Waiting is. 
  Davan



littlewonder -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 5:43:11 PM)

Every single part of my life is spiritual in nature.



Lockit -> RE: God in your play? (10/22/2008 5:51:35 PM)

The closer I get to death, the less I believe in anything but this life... maybe because no one is saving my ass!  But in play... it is spiritual between my spouse and I... and unless there are some lil ghosties in the corner getting an eye full... nope.



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