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MissEnchanted -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:06:43 AM)
You keep putting out those hooks PFH and you're likely to catch a Domme. tsk tsk... quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer If it seems like a common vanilla sex act he must be doing something wrong . . . One of the best compliments I've ever received: "I've had that done before, but never like that." The woman in question was a vanilla, so I kept quiet about having Xian's kind of belief as the motivator behind my 'efforts'. OK, that's my one and only boast for today.

LadyPact -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:08:14 AM)
quote: Original: Aakasha Most subs into "oral service" or "pussy worship" to this degree have found a way to take a wonderful act and turn it into objectification. It's not about the woman's pleasure at that point - it's about him getting to eat pussy for hours. If you are not sure of that, tell the sub that yes, you are VERY turned on by oral worship and are wired to have orgasms for days - but it's not your pussy, it's your index finger, and that's the only part of your body he can lick and suck for hours. Ok. So what about those who would gladly exchange for foot worship?

MissEnchanted -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:09:39 AM)
mmmm, strap on fun....Oh yeah! I better shut up. I just booted a wanker for offering this online in his second paragraph. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn I think many subs fantasize that they will have to do it 24/7 (and some have offered that), which could get a bit difficult if normal life is to continue. The idea, as some have already mentioned, of the woman "commanding" that it be done, which could occur at any time, is also a big part of the fantasy (or reality, for some). I personally want my boy to naturally appreciate all parts of my body, without having to be "forced". If I want to increase his submission, I'm not going to force oral sex with me, but I will force it on him with a dildo. [:)]

MissEnchanted -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:11:38 AM)
Hi Lady P! mmm foot slave action. roflmao. I am going to have to exert some self-discipline to get off this thread... ME aka.... _______________ [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: Original: Aakasha Most subs into "oral service" or "pussy worship" to this degree have found a way to take a wonderful act and turn it into objectification. It's not about the woman's pleasure at that point - it's about him getting to eat pussy for hours. If you are not sure of that, tell the sub that yes, you are VERY turned on by oral worship and are wired to have orgasms for days - but it's not your pussy, it's your index finger, and that's the only part of your body he can lick and suck for hours. Ok. So what about those who would gladly exchange for foot worship?

AAkasha -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:12:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: Original: Aakasha Most subs into "oral service" or "pussy worship" to this degree have found a way to take a wonderful act and turn it into objectification. It's not about the woman's pleasure at that point - it's about him getting to eat pussy for hours. If you are not sure of that, tell the sub that yes, you are VERY turned on by oral worship and are wired to have orgasms for days - but it's not your pussy, it's your index finger, and that's the only part of your body he can lick and suck for hours. Ok. So what about those who would gladly exchange for foot worship? I'm not sure I understand your question? I think with any "fetish" there's a potential that the sub (bottom) might be too obsessed with the act and miss the point. I have paid professional massueses and pedicurists and received better foot massages than some of the ones given by a "foot fetishist," and there have been other foot fetishists that do a fine job. I've also found foot guys to be the most annoying and pushy when I used to go to BDSM events. How many times do you have to tell them no? I think I've received many more well-rounded and rewarding foot massages from men who were submissives and did not have a foot fetish, than those who were bottoms and into feet. I guess my main point is still the same - with any fetish, there's a risk that the body part becomes more important than the woman it is attached to. Akasha

undergroundsea -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:15:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha Most subs into "oral service" or "pussy worship" to this degree have found a way to take a wonderful act and turn it into objectification. I expect to say that a guy is into oral service to this degree means a submissive who has a fetish for oral just like a foot fetish. I think the focus of this discussion extends beyond those who are obsessed only by it, and considers the act in general in the context of D/s. One point I will add is that sometimes I feel that a given woman's wish to not be used sexually makes the idea of objectification bigger than it is. I am thinking of something along the lines of once-bitten-twice-shy where the bite may be from personal experience, or from the general notion about being used for sex learned from others. I expect sometimes this defensiveness is justified and sometimes it is not. quote: If you are not sure of that, tell the sub that yes, you are VERY turned on by oral worship and are wired to have orgasms for days - but it's not your pussy, it's your index finger, and that's the only part of your body he can lick and suck for hours. There is more to it. I can enjoy non-exclusive BDSM without oral activity but I do consider myself orally inclinded both romantically and submissively. My definition of orally inclined means to use the mouth and is not specific to any one part of the body. A sub who likes to please and is orally inclined would indeed suck on a finger. However, one cannot equate it to oral sex. There are different reasons one might enjoy providing oral pleasure to the genitalia. The example of the finger focuses on one motivation only. Oral contact with the genitalia symbolizes multiple things. In a similar spirit, while a woman could use a strap-on against a hand or an armpit, she is more likely to use it anally or orally because of the associated meaning. Cheers, Sea

manxcat -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:20:11 AM)
quote: To address the discussion more generally outside the post I quote above, in oral sex one person expends physical energy to provide pleasure to another while receiving no direct physical gratification. I must be doing something wrong, i can orgasm simply from eating pussy OR sucking a cock. ;;-))

undergroundsea -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:23:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Ewww, Sea. Just ewww. You're not kidding! Seriously, I think this point adds to the D/s value. We are taught the genitalia is unclean and indeed it has potential to be unclean, which is why there is a concept of hygiene for genitalia. Thus, putting the mouth there conveys different meanings: fondness or regard or some form of positive value (even if it is lust or attraction--it falls under the same general umbrella as fondness and regard for one will not touch just anyone's genitalia or whatever but will for this person), submission, or a combination of things. Cheers, Sea

undergroundsea -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:31:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: manxcat quote: To address the discussion more generally outside the post I quote above, in oral sex one person expends physical energy to provide pleasure to another while receiving no direct physical gratification. I must be doing something wrong, i can orgasm simply from eating pussy OR sucking a cock. ;;-)) Your quote leaves out a point I included in paranthesis. Here is the complete statement: quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea To address the discussion more generally outside the post I quote above, in oral sex one person expends physical energy to provide pleasure to another while receiving no direct physical gratification (any accompanying arousal I consider to come from mental gratification). Is your orgasm coming from physical/manual stimulation or from mental stimulation? I suppose there might be people who are physically (versus mentally) aroused by the sensation felt in the mouth or tongue to the point of achieving orgasm, I expect most people find mental arousal or an energetic arousal in providing oral pleasure. Sure, if a submissive finds mental gratification in submission then it is still gratification. But because a submissive finds mental gratification in a submissive act, it does not change that the act is submissive. Cheers, Sea

manxcat -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:42:36 AM)
#1 Not Submissive, just totally sexual. #2 No physical stimulation (of me) needed. #3 Whether the stimulation to me is mental (knowing what i am causing the other to feel) or from my physical enjoyment of the act (and yes i do enjoy it that much) or both ( which it usually is) is immaterial, i still orgasm physically.

LadyPact -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:43:44 AM)
Ok. A few quick points and then I have to head back out. ME, let's not even go into the strap on fun thing. I'm trying to keep Myself in balance here. <wink> Aakasha, the foot worship analogy was specifically to ask if you saw other parts of body worship the same way. Pussy worship might very well be the same as a vanilla sexual activity, but I don't think the same about foot worship. Maybe I don't know the right vanilla men. Who knows? Last, have you ever actually received or given what might be referred to as 'index finger worship'? Personally, I happen to know a few males who have found this incredibly hot and turned on beyond belief.

undergroundsea -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 10:44:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha I think with any "fetish" there's a potential that the sub (bottom) might be too obsessed with the act and miss the point. Sure, this point is valid as long as we recognize that the word used there is potential. quote: I've also found foot guys to be the most annoying and pushy when I used to go to BDSM events. How many times do you have to tell them no? To my delight, I have heard different reviews of foot guys. To be fair, these reviews came in discussions with professional dommes and in that span of activity, a foot guy might make for a more pleasant session; it requires less energy and is likely to bring comfort. Still, I question the notion that foot guys are annoying and pushy, and will gladly examine this point in more detail if anyone wishes to do so. quote: I think I've received many more well-rounded and rewarding foot massages from men who were submissives and did not have a foot fetish, than those who were bottoms and into feet. While that may be well and true in your experiences, in my case my fetish enhances my massage when I work on feet. I think how well or not I do comes from my sense for what makes for good touch, and my fetish adds an energy exchange and enthusiasm that adds to the experience from touch alone. Cheers, Sea

undergroundsea -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 11:00:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissEnchanted I can tell by a person's kiss if they are good at 'pussy worship'. I agree. Just as there is a sense of touch for hands, there is a sense of touch for lips and the mouth. And a general sense for touch encompasses each. quote: I won't go into the two basic types here, more on that part later. When a man is sensuous, and stays connected to his lover: Sensitive to his partners responses/needs or lack thereof : It's all good. These are insightful points and so I would be interested to hear the additional insights you mention. Cheers, Sea

MistressOfGa -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 11:13:17 AM)
For the record, I have not, nor will I ever command a boy to go down on me. If that is what they enjoy doing, I am all for it, but forced? No thanks. I am very easy to please in so many other ways and that is just one of them, but if I know he is not enjoying himself, I don't want him down there. I can ride him and get just as much satisfaction as I could if he spent hours going down on me. Luckily I have the best of both worlds <s> On a side note: Racquelle, I am a huge fan of Leonard Cohen! "Future" being my favorite :)

AAkasha -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 11:23:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Ok. A few quick points and then I have to head back out. ME, let's not even go into the strap on fun thing. I'm trying to keep Myself in balance here. <wink> Aakasha, the foot worship analogy was specifically to ask if you saw other parts of body worship the same way. Pussy worship might very well be the same as a vanilla sexual activity, but I don't think the same about foot worship. Maybe I don't know the right vanilla men. Who knows? Last, have you ever actually received or given what might be referred to as 'index finger worship'? Personally, I happen to know a few males who have found this incredibly hot and turned on beyond belief. Oh yeah, I have a bit of a hand fetish (I use the term lightly) in a couple of ways so I'm familiar with a variety of "hand worship" scenarios (lol). But no, it doesn't bring me to orgasm. Akasha

zakkan -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 11:27:52 AM)
Hand worship? How does that work??

hopelesslyInvo -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 11:41:34 AM)
d/s is in the dynamic, not in the gestures. i see more than a few handfuls of women mention they're looking for it as well; yet to be honest i don't see where most activities became a 'matter of slave training', and it's all a matter of perspective... handcuffs and spanking seem pretty vanilla to me, feet don't exactly sound hardcore either, yet i see tons of women seeking hardcore dedicated 'foot slaves'. /shrug the reek is probably due to being exactly right. i do agree that the prospect of offering this 'service' as some sort of amazing perk seems ridiculous though, what comes next on the list of crazily submissive and hard to find skills; genital to genital contact services? surely there has to be more temping offers than to say 'i'm not opposed to touching your body with a part of my body' in one form or another.

undergroundsea -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 11:48:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zakkan Hand worship? How does that work?? A woman holds up her hand and a man bows before it. When someone sneezes, the man says, may the hand bless you. At every meal, the man praises the hand before starting the meal. Once a year, the man either gives up something or fasts for sake of the hand. The man recognizes that his sins and good behaviors will be accordingly punished and rewarded by the hand. You know, stuff like that ;-) Cheers, Sea

khem -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 5:53:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats I think it's weird when that's the ONLY activity that a so-called submissive takes any interest in. It's also strange to me that what is generally called fondling/petting is now "worship." I suspect it originated in either porn or pro domination, to provide either a reason for there to be touching of the female dominant, or a euphemism for sexual contact. Yeah, probably a semantics thing for me. I also react to the term "worship." In my experience that means "I like to be all grabby and in your space" and means that they get off on touch/smell/etc rather than an element of reverence.

khem -> RE: Oral Servitude (10/24/2008 6:02:10 PM)
It's not that I don't see how it can be an act of submission and a matter of context. My rant was more a matter of why it it even listed under interests or skills. Let's take a count of men here (top or bottom) who don't like to go down on a woman. (waits for the silence) That's why I don't understand why it's advertised, especially in a D/s context.

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