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seekerofknowledg -> I could really use some help (10/25/2008 3:27:04 AM)

I am brand new to this website as well as new to being a dom, I haven't even really started using this in my relationship yet, I have been reading many posts here and have found some useful information so far.  I realize that it is different for everyone but I need help as my wife has told me that she is interested in incorporating this into our relationship.  I have read on here and elsewhere that if you are not careful and proficient at the dom end you can do physical/emotional damage to your partner, I would probably like to avoid either of these.  In the past we have tried some light bondage and done role playing, pretty much tried most things once, sexually.  The dom sub stuff though is somewhat lost on me, I guess I don't get it. when we have tried it in the past it has felt  forced to me and I realize that to be done properly it should be something that comes naturally.  So please if someone could shed some light onto what I need to do or what my wife may be looking for as a sub, anything would be greatly appreciated




colouredin -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 4:08:12 AM)

You have to talk to her, if you want to know what kind of sub she wants to be then you need to ask, also you need to decide what you want from it. The best way to avoid emotional damage is communication. Physical damage is all about safty and knowing what you are doing. Its great that you have been reading up, shes going to have to too and then you can both work out the paramters of what you want. Id suggest the topping and bottoming books too they are fantastic for knowing where is best to start, id recomend reading them to each other then you can discuss bis that interest you, good luck with it all.




seekerofknowledg -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 4:52:52 AM)

thank you for taking the time to respond, we have been talking about it, but she is uncomfortable talking about her submissive needs with me, I think she wants me to take control and automatically know it or something, this is part of the problem for me.  The other side of this is that I am probably what most people around here would refer to as a vanilla, I have never really explored this arena before the last couple months and am really trying to understand the whole dynamic




XaviersXian -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 4:57:31 AM)

greetings to all,

OP, my Master was in your situation at the beginning of our relationship.  I may be able to help you.  Cmail me on the other side!.

well wishes,




Myster -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 8:20:47 AM)

I love colouredin's idea of reading all you can. Also, get out in your community and talk to people is also sage advice. Learning from others that you respect is extremely valuable and important in your and your wife's development.

Just an idea on how to start: I would try and put her in a submissive head space. You don't need to bark at her, and that will seem forced. When I start a relationship I like to tell the girl to hold a position that makes her feel exposed, and then I touch her all over while telling her not to move. Now I'm not sure what your wife's buttons are and how this will effect her, but this can establish control and vulnurability without being very intimidating to you.

Cheers,
Kevin




SirMIkeSD -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 12:07:06 PM)

I don't mean to rain you your parade here, but keep in mind that this is not for everyone and it may not be you. By all means do the reading and try, but if in the end you find that it is forced consistently then you are not a Dom. With that said you can be a SM Top without being a Dom and you could fit there.

Mike




JustDarkness -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 12:47:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seekerofknowledg

The dom sub stuff though is somewhat lost on me, I guess I don't get it. when we have tried it in the past it has felt  forced to me and I realize that to be done properly it should be something that comes naturally. 


You need to do what you feel is good and not only to please some one else.




cagliostro -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 1:39:55 PM)

If you're sure you want to go this way try to encourage whatever dom instincts you have.  Try, also, to remember that society's conditioning that a lot of these kinds of behavior are unwelcome is incorrect.  She seems to really want to do this, so doing it isn't wrong.  We get a lot of that conditioning from all sorts of places: school, parents, movies, tv.  Recognize that this conditioning exists, and that it is wrong.  That's one big step toward encouraging yourself.

I'd suggest starting with things like encouraging what normal animal instincts you have.  Humans are animals, so we have the same instincts they do.  We spend most of our childhood learning to control them, though.  So if you feel like running your nails up her back, go ahead.  If you feel like throwing her over your shoulder and taking her to bed, go ahead.  Just let that stuff out - it's ok.

Also try ordering instead of asking.  So, for example, don't say, "Want to have sex tonight?"  Say, "I'm f*cking you tonight - get ready."  And say it like you just said "Nice weather today."  And don't wait for her to be ready, jump her.  Don't ask her to get in position.  Grab her and put her the way you want her.  It'll work.  She'll love it.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 2:48:17 PM)

If you are forcing yourself to act dominant to make your wife happy, then you are not the dominant one. You are catering to her, which means she is in control.
Find out what she sees as submissive. If she is uncomfortable discussing the desires, tell her she has to. Do not make it an option. If you are going to be dominant, that is as good a place to start as any other. You cannot read her mind any more than she can yours.
You might also want to discuss what will happen if being dominant is not in fact for you. It might seem forced because you are not sure what you are doing, or it might be forced becasue it actually is forced and not something that comes naturally to you. Not everyone can be dominant, just like not everyone can be submissive just because someone else wants them to be. Thats just not how it works.

Try demanding she tell you of her submissive interests, and see how that goes, and how it feels to you. Once you find out what they are, see which interest you and go from there. If none of them do, and you find yourself considering learning about it sheerly for her benefit, then stop right there and tell her you are not into it. You do more of a disservice by faking it than you would teling her you arent dominant.

DV




celticlord2112 -> RE: I could really use some help (10/25/2008 5:37:05 PM)

quote:

I think she wants me to take control and automatically know it or something,

Taking control has nothing at all to do with knowledge.  You take control by choosing.  You take control by making decisions.

For example:
You read a bit about hot wax, and think to yourself "hey, this sounds neat!".  As you are the dominant, tell your wife that you wish to experiment with this.

Dominants do not know; they decide.  Knowledge comes later.




sailorfrank -> RE: I could really use some help (10/26/2008 1:28:24 PM)

    A very good point!   I would like to add on that if you think you arent a Dom then?   Lets face it you arent.  Dont pretend to be either as it may well get you into deeper trouble.

Be honest with who you are and try something else to keep you both happy![;)]




DavanKael -> RE: I could really use some help (10/27/2008 11:06:58 PM)

Hi, seekerofknowledg----
I haven't read the other posts, only yours.  I want to say that I think it is very cool that you are trying to understand D/s more depthfully to please your partner; I was very touched by that.  I tried to get my ex- to try and he never would.  Your intent alone is valuable and commendable. 
Not that these things worked, but here's some of what I tried with my ex-; I hope they are more helpful for you than they were in our relationship:
--Pointing out things that I felt could flow into him being a more Dominant partner.  example: "You're a natural caretaker; if you amped that up, that could be an avenue to Dominance.  Here's how..." 
--I tried explaining my submissive needs and my understanding of what they stem from in my psyche and having a dialogue about how things within his psyche could manifest to fulfill my needs as well as needs of his own
--Wrote ideas on index cards
--Gave him the book "Radical Ecstasy" and asked him to read it
--Attached rather innocuous nylon restraints to the bedframe, let him know they were there, and that any time he'd like to use them, feel free
--Gave positive reinforcement for anything that struck me as even vaguely Dominant
--Served naturally and hoped that he'd acknowledge it as what it was and value it and step up.  While he did value much of what I did for him most of our relationship, he took it for granted
--Had conversations. 
--Assured him that I'm durable with a high pain threshhold and to please try to hurt me
--Etc. 
It's getting late and I'm not sure about the efficacy of all of that but if evenone bit provokes something for you that creates positive momentum, that rocks.  Again, kudos to you for working on things with your partner!!!  :> 
  Davan




leadership527 -> RE: I could really use some help (10/28/2008 7:40:58 AM)

quote:

I think she wants me to take control and automatically know it or something, this is part of the problem for me.  The other side of this is that I am probably what most people around here would refer to as a vanilla


This is going to be a problem seeker. Look at it this way.

a) You're inexperienced (you said so).
b) She's inexperienced (on the basis of her expecting you to have psychic pills).
c) You're not communicating

So really, this gets down to not even a blind leading the blind situation. This is more like two blind people stumbling around in a room together. The bottom line... You've gotten some great advice on this so far. CelticLord was spot on. But honestly, without very very clear and open communication, it's going nowhere.

Perhaps that is the first place for you to assume the dominant stance, no?




seekerofknowledg -> RE: I could really use some help (10/28/2008 9:44:13 PM)

Well I appreciate everyone's advice so far.  I have started trying to change how I am wording things in order to be more dominant mainly being aware of what I am saying I guess.  I have been trying not to second guess myself (as I do from time to time)There has been some positive response but from our conversations so far she doesnt' really want to talk about specific things that she is interested in.  I'm probably missing the point or something, and I do realize the irony of my situation. but anymore help is greatly appreciated




SirMIkeSD -> RE: I could really use some help (10/28/2008 9:52:40 PM)

You don't need to know what she is interested in just what limits she wants to set for her play. What you do it your choice not her's as long as it's within those limits. So find out her limits and if she does not know then she needs to find out. There are many threads on here about limits and she should do a search and find them. Then you decide that you are going to do to her and do it, I strongly recommend staying within your skill level in whatever you pick.

Mike




MasterFireMaam -> RE: I could really use some help (10/29/2008 12:10:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seekerofknowledg

thank you for taking the time to respond, we have been talking about it, but she is uncomfortable talking about her submissive needs with me, I think she wants me to take control and automatically know it or something


There has to be a way to have her communicate what she wants and needs. If she can't communicate it, it probably means she doesn't really know and needs to explore it. It also means that she needs to learn some communication skills. It is unfair of her to expect you to "just know". This is a reason so many vanilla relationships have issues...and if you don't correct it, your kinky one will, too.

If she won't TALK to you, have her write it. You can do the same. Then, you can compare!

Master Fire




LadyPact -> RE: I could really use some help (10/29/2008 7:10:29 AM)

I'm always really encouraged by these kinds of threads.  There aren't nearly enough of them when compared to the ones that read about how someone's spouse doesn't understand them or there's so much missing in the relationship because one person won't ever possibly understand the other one's kink.  The fact that you're willing to be open and explore the potential is a good sign, and I'd like to congratulate you on that.

It isn't realistic for your wife to think you'll just know.  From the sound of it, she doesn't exactly know what she wants out of this yet either, or she doesn't know how to express it.  That's not exactly productive.  The fact that you're here learning and asking questions is.  Encourage her to do the same so she can be more open with you.  Another idea for you might be to have her start up a journal for her fantasies that you have the right to read, without the obligation to fulfill.

While I commend you for your attitude that you are willing to give this a try for your wife, it is very possible that you are not a dominant.  That really is ok.  Not everybody is cut out for it.  We kinksters really are the minority.  If you find you're not one, maybe the two of you can talk about an alternative solution.

Best of luck to the both of you. 






anamericaninfife -> RE: I could really use some help (10/29/2008 11:32:14 AM)

First off, I agree with others that this is a great thread. I also think that you are asking all the right questions for someone who is in your position, seeker. It's clear that this is something that is important to your wife in terms of her sexuality, and your willingness to explore this with her makes it clear that you love and care about her. I do think that you should read and re-read every single post on this discussion forum, as a lot of very good points have been made. In particular, I found that Vampire's instruction that you HAVE to communicate and that her not wanting to communicate with you should not be an option is very good advice.

That said, here's a suggestion for how you can get from point A to B, get her to communicate with you, and at the same time begin to explore and exert a little Dominance all at the same time.

In times past, when encountering a new sub, I have "interviewed" her to find out what she likes and what she doesn't like. One time I spent three separate nights interviewing a submissive woman--we were brand new to each other, and the interview process saw us getting more and more comfortable with each other as the week went by. Here's how it worked:

You've probably seen the "Interests" categories that appear on people's profile--the blue-font "Likes", "Loves", "Lives for", etc. You can access these from the "edit profile" tab on your left hand navigation screen on the main site. Here's how I'd suggest getting to know your wife's interests, so that things are clearly communicated.

First, a few things are up to you--you can have fun with this. You might want to catch her off guard, or, if it would add to the suspense, tell her before you leave for work one day that you're going to be interviewing her when you get home and that she should be ready. You might even tell her that she's going to tell you about her bdsm fantasies. If she argues with you about it, look her right in the eye and tell her that you've already made up your mind and that's all there is to it...leave for work and then proceed with the interview as planned. You should also feel free to choose how you want to go about it--where she will sit in relation to you, etc. When I did this myself, I sat at my computer desk reading off of the collar me interests list, and the woman was kneeling beside me the three successive nights. We started off with her fully clothed, then night 2 she lost her top, then night three she was fully naked for the final portion of the interview. Again, whatever works for you--you have to remember that getting in touch with your inner Dom SHOULD mean that you get something out of this. What would thrill you??? Seeing her naked, kneeling beside your favorite chair while you read from a printed copy and take down notes on a legal pad? Or dressed in a dress or costume that you like? It's your call, Seeker--you're the Dom.

Finally, go through the list item by item and ask her what she likes and does not like. Take notes if it helps. Throughout, make sure she knows that she has to communicate--silence is not an option. If she clams up--well, she clearly does have some bdsm tendencies, so perhaps you can try out some of your own desires a bit and find a creative way to discipline her for not being forthcoming, which it sounds like could thrill her. Don't get me wrong--you've already said you're pretty vanilla, so you probably aren't going to do anything that would likely hurt her at first. But, if she clams up and won't talk, what would be wrong with punishing her until she breaks her silence. Think of it--she sits there and won't say a word about whether she approves of something, so you instruct her to stand and you begin spanking her ass with your bare hand until she breaks down and tells you her honest opinion. And, truth be told, so long as you're fairly reserved at first, such an exercise could tell you a lot about how into pain she really is. If you swat her behind five times, no harder than you'd spank a child, and she gives in and starts talking, you know that she wants the control but is not necessarily into pain. If, on the other hand, you do the five times thing and she is still resistant, and your spanking has to get harder before she'll talk, then you know that she is a bit masochistic.

One final word--don't be afraid to be strict when interviewing. Yes, I realize that you're concerned about her emotional safety, and you well should be. But, the fact that you are concerned is probably evidence to the fact that you're not going to do anything too over the top at first. It should be okay to be demanding with her about this--she's your wife, after all, and you're her husband. You are, mutually, the two people that each other ought to be able to share these kinds of desires with and it be okay. Make that clear to her on the front end of things, and then if she's still resistant to giving you straight answers, take that as a sign that you can be a little forthcoming about the punishment/discipline thing. She is, after all, the one that is asking for you to be into this--yes, safety is a concern that you cannot ignore, but you also shouldn't let your concern for safety keep you from exerting an elementary sense of Dominance toward her.

And, finally, last but not least, if you try this out and you find that this very simple exercise is extremely hard for you to do, well, then maybe as Mike said up top, you might just not be cut out for this. I'm not saying that this should be your one and only shot at being Dominant, but, that said, a very simple, elementary exercise such as this could do a lot as far as letting you know whether you're into this or not.

I hope this helps--who knows if others will agree with my suggestions, but I think that what you seem to be struggling with the most is the pragmatic part of how to get from point A to B, and this seems to be as good a way as any.




cinmin -> RE: I could really use some help (10/29/2008 11:42:47 AM)

There is a good book called "The Loving Dominant" which actually has to do with introducing a vanilla partner to the lifestyle. It's been ages ago since i read it but back then when i was trying to get my husband involved it seemed to help Him out alot.

Good Luck! At least she is trying to involve You in her desires....so many are scared to even mention it to a vanilla spouse.




cagliostro -> RE: I could really use some help (10/29/2008 2:19:43 PM)

Sounds like you're doing great to me.  Keep it up.  You're thinking and trying.  That's what matters.

Now, about your wife's reticence: there are two things that could be going on.  She doesn't know what it is she wants, or she is for some reason reluctant to state it.  Depending on which it is you have two ways to go. 

If she doesn't know what she wants:
It sounds kinda weird, but check out BDSM porn.  Often people find the activities they enjoy erotic in pornography.  Just tell people you're into the articles :))
There are plenty of online story sites, just run a google search.  Have her read some and see what she thinks.  Basically, it's verbal porn.

If she's reluctant to say:
Remind her that D/s play rests squarely on trust.  She needs to trust you enough to talk about it.
You can make her say.  This in itself is a dominant act.  So here's the basic premise.  You're going to work her up and then just stop.  So tie her up in a way she can't get away.  Proceed to torture/tease her to the point of no return.  But stop before she gets there.  Then leave her alone till she calms down.  And do it again.  And let her calm down.  After like an hour of this - she'll tell you pretty much anything.  The whole time just keep repeating stuff like, "You're going to tell me."  "You want to tell me."  "I'm going to make you tell me."  If you do it right, you're going to hear all kinds of sh!t coming out of her mouth by the end.

Good luck.




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