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PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 5:01:30 AM)
Too subtle? This from the one who educated me on the difference between orthology and grammar. [;)] Slightly off the subject: in the UK, Ms (instead of Mrs or Miss) was considered trendily silly in the 1970s, but had become widespread by the 1980s. Now, though, I hear twenty-year-olds snorting in derision at its "trendiness and right-on-ness". My mother uses Ms, my sister uses Mrs. Very odd.

Usako -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 5:04:31 AM)
D/s vs d/s; ya know I just don't know. Probably blame it on the population. It seems D/s (or even M/s) is the general "understood" term. Though I avoid the capital D when saying domme or dom or dominant or whatever d one wants to call themself. I guess it's something that rubbed off. Sort of like the term "vanilla" which I hate. Never really heard it much or used it much before all of this, well unless talking about delicious ice cream. Mmmmm...vanilla... I'm not perfect and always appreciate when someone points out a typo or spelling mistake. I want to move FORWARD in my English language and I feel the lower case i and other BDSM net speak trends are just moving a step backwards. Along the same lines as any other chat speak.

MsStarlett -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 5:07:59 AM)
I had never heard "Vanilla" before joining CM. My husband still laughs about it.

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 5:12:53 AM)
Here's something else your hub might not know, Ms S. The word "vanilla" derives from the word "vagina": "Vanilla is a flavoring, in its pure form known as vanillin, derived from orchids in the genus Vanilla. The name came from the Spanish word "vainilla", diminutive form of "vaina" (meaning "sheath"), which is in turn derived from Latin "vagina". "

MsStarlett -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 5:41:48 AM)
Cool. I didn't know that. Always was fascinated by the origins of words and phrases. I once had a book called "A Pig on Ice and Other Strange Phrases". It was all about where odd cliques originated. Wish I could find that again.

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 6:09:49 AM)
D/s vs d/s; ya know I just don't know. You got me back there. Don't know why, but "ya" has always made me grit my teeth. My sister uses it deliberately to wind me up. [;)]

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 6:17:29 AM)
Interesting, ain't it? I got that from an English teacher at school. He also told me that there's only ever been one word in the history of the English language to describe a woman actively fucking a man. A woman will say "I fucked that man x yesterday" these days, but I think that's a pretty recent usage. Similarly, "screw", "bonk" (UK only, I think) - they were all originally things that "men did to women", not vice versa. The one word he was talking about was "swithe" - it meant "envelop in a sheath". Same root as "swathe" - still in use: "to wrap in clothes". Now, "swithe" is a word that definitely needs to be brought back into use, IMO.

Venatrix -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 7:17:21 AM)
Beeble, you and PforH are missing my point: people are welcome to write however they wish, whether it's incorrect or not. But, given my experience with subs, this kind of buggering around is more likely to indicate someone who is playing games. As soon as I see that he engages in that convention, I pretty much relegate him to the bottom of the pile of those in whom I'm interested. It won't necessarily eliminate him, though, as long as he possesses most of the other characteristics that I seek. I've encountered only one truly exceptional (submissive) man in the past year, and he doesn't mess around with standard English. In fact, his writing is so well crafted, it almost brings tears of joy to my eyes. I'm not saying there's a scientific correlation there; it's just my observation. PforH, there's nothing wrong with Green Party spelled that way; it's a proper name. If, however, you wrote that "the Tories are a Green party," that would be incorrect. It would be "the Tories are a green party." If your editor let you get away with the former, he or she ought to be keel-hauled. And, by the way, I never use "Ms." It isn't an abbreviation for anything; it isn't even a word. Mrs is actually an abbreviation for "mistress." Mr is an abbreviation for "master." Beeble, you're arguing that different rôles allow someone to use non-standard English. I'm saying they don't. Standard English is standard English everywhere. There are plenty of other, more appropriate mechanisms that a sub can use to indicate his submission to me that don't entail making a fool out of himself, unless that is something that I require, which it generally is not.

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 7:31:25 AM)
Standard English is standard English everywhere. Oooh, I don't know, Venatrix. Certain English people - unlike myself, of course - have been heard to say that Americans butcher the entire English language. But we won't get into that. [;)] And, by the way, I never use "Ms." It isn't an abbreviation for anything; it isn't even a word. The Oxford English Dictionary lists "Ms" as a word. Who's to say what the ultimate authority on all this is, if not the OED? But the more fundamental question is: how and why, then, do you think words get invented? I never realised you such a strict side to you, Venatrix. Wow!

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 7:39:48 AM)
Beeble, you and PforH are missing my point: people are welcome to write however they wish, whether it's incorrect or not. But, given my experience with subs, this kind of buggering around is more likely to indicate someone who is playing games. As soon as I see that he engages in that convention, I pretty much relegate him to the bottom of the pile of those in whom I'm interested. It won't necessarily eliminate him, though, as long as he possesses most of the other characteristics that I seek. Sorry, bit facetious in my last. I see your points in the above and accept them.

Venatrix -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 7:52:19 AM)
Certain English people - unlike myself, of course - have been heard to say that Americans butcher the entire English language. But we won't get into that. [;)] I couldn't agree more. The number of Americans using non-standard English is appallingly high. Unfortunately, these days, the number of Brits speaking non-standard English is appallingly high, too. The Oxford English Dictionary lists "Ms" as a word. Who's to say what the ultimate authority on all this is, if not the OED? But the more fundamental question is: how and why, then, do you think words get invented? Just because the OED lists a word doesn't mean the word should be used. I'm sure "ain't" is in the OED, as well. There's nothing wrong with inventing words to describe corresponding new inventions, but there's no excuse for misusing the language. I just object to "Ms" (as opposed to "ms," which is an abbreviation for "manuscript") on the grounds that it was an ill-thought-out neologism. I never realised you such a strict side to you, Venatrix. Wow! Lulling people into a false sense of security is one of my specialities. Along with speaking proper British English.[:D]

OttersSwim -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 7:58:21 AM)
You two let us Americans know when you are done giving us the whinge for our poor use of the mother tongue will you? [;)]

Venatrix -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 8:00:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OttersSwim You two let us Americans know when you are done giving us the whinge for our poor use of the mother tongue will you? [;)] Check back in 2012.

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 8:01:01 AM)
You two let us Americans know when you are done giving us the whinge for our poor use of the mother tongue will you? [;)] Oooh no, OS. I don't want to have to move house!

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 8:02:59 AM)
"Keel-hauled" is also not in the OED, V. It doesn't have a hyphen. [;)]

Venatrix -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 9:39:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer "Keel-hauled" is also not in the OED, V. It doesn't have a hyphen. [;)] Actually, it depends on one's choice. The current, sloppy, trend is to combine two nouns into one word, whereas before they used to be hyphenated. I suspect that many people were too dim to handle the "complexities" of a hyphen, and so avoided the issue by lumping two nouns together. I, however, am perfectly comfortable with hyphens and see no reason to pander to the masses. I am quite distressed to see the OED lowering its standards in such a fashion. My desire to own said collection of tomes is rapidly diminishing.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 10:44:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Too subtle? This from the one who educated me on the difference between orthology and grammar. [;)] Slightly off the subject: in the UK, Ms (instead of Mrs or Miss) was considered trendily silly in the 1970s, but had become widespread by the 1980s. Now, though, I hear twenty-year-olds snorting in derision at its "trendiness and right-on-ness". My mother uses Ms, my sister uses Mrs. Very odd. I use "Ms" because I feel like I've matured beyond the "miss" stage, but I am not married, so I don't qualify for the "Mrs." appellation. I am also guilty of using the D/s thing, and D-type/s-type, and probably a few more. I think that's why, over time, though I appreciate proper grammar (and used to be quite the grammar nazi over it), I don't stress about it so much at that initial letter, or even the first few, before we get to know one another.

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 10:59:20 AM)
I use "Ms" because I feel like I've matured beyond the "miss" stage, but I am not married, so I don't qualify for the "Mrs." appellation. Exactly the same as for my mother, CF. I suspect a few of the common expressions - like D/s - will stick perhaps forever, while others will just get left by the wayside. Myself, I don't care greatly. On learning my first name, a Domme wrote to me using it without capitalising the first letter. I quite liked that, actually. But I'm bit like Venatrix - if I see a lot of bad English, I'll move on.

PeonForHer -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 11:01:05 AM)
Bollocks!

Politesub53 -> RE: Lower case, upper case. (10/28/2008 11:09:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Venatrix Standard English is standard English everywhere. There are plenty of other, more appropriate mechanisms that a sub can use to indicate his submission to me that don't entail making a fool out of himself, unless that is something that I require, which it generally is not. i fully agree with You Ms. ( Smirks a tad )

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