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Kirata -> Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 5:49:41 AM)

The Warren court "didn't break break free from the essential contraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution."

Redistributive Change
 
Constitution fundamentally flawed

K.





puella -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 6:05:14 AM)

What is your point, that there were no flaws in the constitution (bill of rights) or that there should be no distribution of wealth (public schools, roads, libraries, social security, etc etc)?



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 6:10:45 AM)

well THAT is why King was done in.

I dont fault people from wanting basic needs.  I do fault corporations from bleeding the humans.

In light of the candidates addressing  the Patriot act,  the fed reserve, the reduced rights.  oh forget it.  its hopeless.



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 6:42:48 AM)

OK... people have been wondering why I am so vehemently opposed to putting Obama in an even greater position of power .... These Audios Of Him are a great example of the reasons why I consider him absolutely Un Fit For Office!
 
No, I still don't like McCain Either - but I absolutely Will NOT vote for Obama - and wouldn't do so if he were the only name on the friggin ballot.



meatcleaver -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 8:44:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

The Warren court "didn't break break free from the essential contraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution."

Redistributive Change
 
Constitution fundamentally flawed

K.





If the constitution was perfect, blacks would still be classed as not fully human and 90% of Americans wouldn't have the vote. The world turns and as it turns it changes.



Dnomyar -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 9:11:01 AM)

peach there are other canidates on the ballot.



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 9:25:32 AM)

Yes, but do you honestly think that a 3rd party candidate actually has a real chance of getting into the white house this year?  I don't.  What I think the 3rd party candidates CAN accomplish is to take just enough votes from one or the other main party candidates to keep them from getting into office.
 
You also have to consider that each state has it's own local laws concerning how a party gets on the ballot For That State.  Here in OK, the laws are twisted enough that there are no viable 3rd parties.  Hell, most of the parties that have a candidate aren't listed on the ballot in this state at All.  I'll be more than a bit surprised if there are any choices listed other than repugnican and democrap.  (Yes, the misspellings are intentional.)
 
I'm not voting for Any of the incumbents that are on the ballot for reelection at the local and state level.  I may not particularly "support" their specific opposition, but I know I dislike the incumbents and their various screw ups sufficiently to vote against them - even if I had to vote for satan himself - and I don't even believe in the existance of satan!  On the national level, I could have voted for Ron Paul with a clear conscience.  None of the others - McCain, Obama, Nadar, any of 'em - have my confidence or my vote.  And it PISSES ME OFF being forced into a position of voting for "the lesser of known evils".  The lesser of evils is Still Evil, and Still a Bad Choice.



Dnomyar -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 9:32:07 AM)

Real chance or not. If Ron Paul gets enough votes it will put him in a better position next year and mabey open the door to a third part which Pero screwed up.



DomKen -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 9:34:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

The Warren court "didn't break break free from the essential contraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution."

Redistributive Change
 
Constitution fundamentally flawed

K.

You should do research beyond Drudge.




Owner59 -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 9:34:25 AM)

Would you do a search for your posts showing your outrage when Bush suspended Habeas Corpus?

I couldn`t find any myself.

There`s a guy who actually trampled our Constitution,for real,in real life.

And would you difine "selective outrage" for us and what you think it means?



Sanity -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 12:09:25 PM)


I saw this headlined on Drudge

I remember certain Libs making a big deal out of a lie they kept repeating about Bush supposedly calling the Constitution just a piece of paper... yet when faced with a candidate Obama who genuinely does display that very attitude, all you hear from that same crowd are yawns..

What a world.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

The Warren court "didn't break break free from the essential contraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution."

Redistributive Change
 
Constitution fundamentally flawed

K.






juliaoceania -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 12:13:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

The Warren court "didn't break break free from the essential contraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution."

Redistributive Change
 
Constitution fundamentally flawed

K.





If the constitution was perfect, blacks would still be classed as not fully human and 90% of Americans wouldn't have the vote. The world turns and as it turns it changes.


Some of the very forces that are against Obama would go back to the constitution as it was originally written...

only landowners could vote

women as chattel

blacks as property...

It took a great many years for my sex to get the right to vote, and we still have a bunch of white men that want to tell me how to use my vagina (and want to pass laws about that).

As far as following the constitution... the parts of the constitution I most care about are not followed a good deal of the time, namely the Bill of Rights.



Elisabella -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:00:13 PM)

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and we still have a bunch of white men that want to tell me how to use my vagina (and want to pass laws about that)


Oh lord I hate this rhetoric.

Honey you can do whatever you want with your vagina. But if your vaginal choices happen to result in the creation of another life, you shouldn't have the right to go stabby stab sucky suck and commit feticide.

You have the right to do whatever you want with YOUR body. Your body ends where your DNA ends, so unless that fetus is a clone it's not YOUR body.

As far as the OP goes I saw that NPR segment yesterday, and I found it pretty disturbing. I do take comfort in the fact that he can't do any of that without congressional approval, but lord knows what sort of Congress we'll have in a few months.



camille65 -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:06:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

quote:

and we still have a bunch of white men that want to tell me how to use my vagina (and want to pass laws about that)


if your vaginal choices happen to result in the creation of another life, you shouldn't have the right to go stabby stab sucky suck and commit feticide.



That is YOUR opinion.



Irishknight -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:16:38 PM)

Hold on.  If there is a woman out there who needs help figuring out what to do with her vagina, I may be able to help. 

As for the Constitution's perfection or nonperfection, you all seem to miss one small point.  It is, by design, supposed to change and evolve.  It is a living document meant to improve and change with the times.  If we try to freeze its growth, then it is not the Constitution at fault but us.  Perfection?  Not attainable.  Viability?  If we continue to help it grow rather than forcing stagnation.
Add an amendment protecting the right of gays to marry and for religions who believe in plural marriages to get treated with equal rights.  Add an amendment to limit terms in congress and time on the SCOTUS.  Just for starts, those would improve the document greatly. 



NormalOutside -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:23:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach
Yes, but do you honestly think that a 3rd party candidate actually has a real chance of getting into the white house this year?  I don't.

You're the one who said they wouldn't vote for Obama for multiple reasons, and that you'd have to vote McCain even though he's terrible too.  The point the above person was trying to make is that if they're both terrible, vote for someone else!

As mentioned, Ron Paul is going to get a lot of votes, and the more the better.  He actually deserves votes, unlike anyone else running.  He would actually "CHANGE" life for the better in the US, and protect the people's rights.  If you don't think your rights are important, well, ignore this because you're already lost.



rulemylife -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:32:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Irishknight 

As for the Constitution's perfection or nonperfection, you all seem to miss one small point.  It is, by design, supposed to change and evolve.  It is a living document meant to improve and change with the times.  If we try to freeze its growth, then it is not the Constitution at fault but us.  Perfection?  Not attainable.  Viability?  If we continue to help it grow rather than forcing stagnation.



Very well said.

I get so tired of people pointing to the Constitution as some type of infallible document and referring to the writers of that document as our "Founding Fathers" as if they should be revered as deities.

There were many drafts of the Constitution and many of those involved in its creation only reluctantly agreed to the final result.

The writers of the document realized it was not perfect and also realized the need for it to change as the country and its circumstances changed.




rulemylife -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:40:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

I do take comfort in the fact that he can't do any of that without congressional approval, but lord knows what sort of Congress we'll have in a few months.


Undoubtedly they will all be evil socialists intent on draining your wallet, murdering your babies, taking away your freedoms, and destroying our current prosperous and peace-loving American way of life. 



Elisabella -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:46:28 PM)

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That is YOUR opinion.


Wait what? You mean I'm the one who wrote that?

I must have had a blackout or something because I certainly didn't realize that was MY opinion until you pointed it out. Lord knows how many times my lips have formed those words in the past without knowing that I was actually having an *opinion* about something.

Seriously. I know that it's my opinion. I'm guessing everyone who read it is aware that it was my opinion. I don't understand what the rationale for pointing that out is.



SilverMark -> RE: Obama: Breaking Free from the Constitution (10/27/2008 3:53:06 PM)

With the exception of write in votes....Ron Paul is not on the ballot....Bob Barr, Ralph Nader and the lovely and entirely insane Cynthia McKinney are the alternates to Senators Obama and McCain.

Makes Obama and McCain look like better choices all the time!



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