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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/28/2008 12:02:32 PM   
SomethingCatchy


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People do get wigged out by the word "love" but I believe it stems from too many immature people confusing love with lust. How hurtful is it for someone to say they love you, and you feel it's a romantic love, and you find out later they're just in lust with you and aren't being honest with themselves and you that they don't truly love YOU, but only what you can give them? I'm very cautious with men who tell me they love me, but like I said before, I have no reason to believe he's being stupid, since we have talked about the differences between love and lust before. (He actually brought it up, if I'm allowed to brag about his intelligence )

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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/28/2008 12:26:05 PM   
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I learned to love in an unconditional sense and that I could love someone simply because they were a human being I related to somehow in a humanity sense.  I might love someone's humor or their heart I see very quickly.  But that does not mean I am in love with them.  I may not know them enough to be in love or love them for this or that, but I can love them as a human being.  It goes from that point and may grow into more and might not.  When I love, I do not expect love in return.  Loving for me doesn't come with expectations.  Now... being in love is different and I do expect things in that type of relationship.  I might love the person unconditionally, but in a relationship I expect certain things and that is where some conditions come into it.  But even if we broke up, I would still love them as a human being, just maybe can't live with them! lol

People can have needs that are not red flags and then there are those red flags.  Is it a red flag if someone needs love but doesn't act clingly, immature and lost?  They need love and to express it both in giving and taking and yet are not asking for too much to cover some lack in themselves.  The red flag for me is someone who rushes in and believes they are in love and not just feeling strong loving feelings for someone, who has personal issues of the unhealthy kind which could manifest in jealousy, clingy, obsessive or unrealistic.

I found that keeping things tempered, one can express loving feelings for another person.  Like you meet up with someone who makes you laugh when you need a laugh and their mind stimulates you and you share some great moments.  You can feel loving feelings towards them without being in love and without knowing them inside out.  It can stop there or grow.  Tempering things would be talking about it, letting each person know you recognize there is something special you love about the person or in being with them and sharing time, but that is based on momentary things and isn't the same as knowing them and loving them for who they are fully, but only for what you know of them at that point.  It isn't an undying love that surpasses all things and means a relationship for life. 

Sometimes people will go so long without being loved or giving love.  Sometimes they have been wounded and need to know someone cares.  In some situations, I feel it is okay to say the words as long as people understand where they come from and like I said, it only bit me once.  That was one of those people who was needy in a bad way and couldn't see anything but undying love and relationship far too quickly and couldn't compartmentlize it in a sense.  I know it sounds crazy in a way... but I have seen this work repeatedly and by expressing what emotions they had at that time, they were less needful of rushing into more.  They got a fill up in a sense, were able to relax and trust that they had a real friend who cared.

Some people might respond better to the word affection... you feel something... but it isn't love... or you love a friend and that is more acceptable.  To me, it all stems from love of some form.  You can run into a sweet um, with big brown eyes who wins your heart in an instant.  You can love a grandparent or a neighbor or someone on a message board... none of these are the same or even in love... but they are love.

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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/28/2008 12:26:10 PM   
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Cool, Cathy, so I guess you've answered your own question to your own satisfaction, no ?

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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/28/2008 12:42:02 PM   
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I thought i was in love very quickly. My Dominant of 8 months had broke off with me. It was a relationship of fun, humor and compatibility. but he held back emotionally. not ready to admit feelings or move forward in our relationship. Someone came along to save me and be my knight in shining armor. He did all kinds of things to impress and treated me like a princess. It was very romantic and courtly. I saw myself through his eyes. i was on a pedestal. So i mirrored his passion. It felt very intimate. but It was born out of compulsion and obsessiveness and need. The insecurities started showing through in the chinks in his armor. I started feeling uneasy about things but I pushed those feelings away. Until.....

I got together with the former dominant as we remained friends who cared about each other. I realized I still had feelings for him and acknowledged that I must have been on the rebound. he had realized that his feelings for me were deeper than he thought although the 4 months apart was the best thing for us. We got bakck together recently and I ended it with the other. All that gliters is not gold and all that wanders is not lost.

I gave up being idealized and treated like a princess for a real relationship where i was treated like a person. One was the passion of fantasy and pretend and need. the other was real and born out of time and trust.




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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/28/2008 12:43:11 PM   
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Everyone has been so helpful. Especially lockit, since I'm retarded about getting these sorts of things out.

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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/28/2008 12:51:07 PM   
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quote:

You can feel loving feelings towards them without being in love and without knowing them inside out.  It can stop there or grow.


yea, I think that is what happened with the "knight".

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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/29/2008 8:16:47 PM   
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Just wanted to add that if you love someone and can't understand or work out why then it's probably love.

Whichever way it's bigger than those three words.


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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/29/2008 8:18:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

Just wanted to add that if you love someone and can't understand or work out why then it's probably love.

Whichever way it's bigger than those three words.



Oh dear.    I am seriously hosed.  Thanks, Stella, you are so wise!  (and have funny stories, too!)

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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/29/2008 9:57:51 PM   
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I dunno. "Love" is the desire to make someone else's life better, from my point of view. I do think a person can feel that very quickly, when they recognize a kindred spirit.

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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/30/2008 4:34:50 AM   
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I don't want a partner who doesn't love me on some level. 

But then, you have to realize that I don't think that humans are limited in their capacity to love.  There are many levels and facets to the word... The English language is quite limited for such a wide range of emotions that are normally classified under that one little word.  I love my husband, my sons, my sub, my dogs, my shoes, my job, my country, my home town,  my friends, a long hot bath, chocolate and pineapple.  It's one word for a huge range of emotions that are not the same or equal.

Just because some one says "I love you." doesn't have to mean that they want to marry you, settle down and have kids.  It could simply mean that they enjoy spending time with you and they crave the way you make them feel when you are around.  A little deeper than a casual friendship, but still not "In Love."


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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/30/2008 5:18:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

Just wanted to add that if you love someone and can't understand or work out why then it's probably love.

Whichever way it's bigger than those three words.



I like this too, stella. There is that mystery, even though the heart never lies.

I'd like to add, I've always found that a fondness for certain little things she/he does is also a reliable clue, i.e., the way she holds her knife and fork, the way she climbs into bed like a little girl, the sleepy way she walks to the bathroom in the middle of the night to pee, etc..


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RE: He loves me.... ? - 10/30/2008 10:24:26 AM   
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I said once that I thought this forum was a slightly cold place.

I was clearly wrong.  What a wealth of heart and wisdom I've seen on this thread.  It's staggering.

Good luck, SC. 

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