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Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:23:25 AM

puella

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I was reading this article and am still mulling over where I stand on the issue. I do think it is a very fine and precarious line when we start mixing faith into medicine....

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_re_us/no_contraceptives_pharmacy

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:29:52 AM

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Hmm...just an aside... I wonder if they will dispense Viagra....

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:31:40 AM

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I don't agree with the concept, but in that state it is not against the law, so if you do not agree, then don't shop there for anything.

Religion is becoming big big money in this country and money equals power. I wonder what they will try to do next when you don't agree with there idea of how we should all live.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:31:45 AM

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There is no mixing of faith and medicine. A pharmacy is a business. If they elect not to carry a particular product, for whatever reason, that is their right.

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ORIGINAL: puella

I was reading this article and am still mulling over where I stand on the issue. I do think it is a very fine and precarious line when we start mixing faith into medicine....

Have a read:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_re_us/no_contraceptives_pharmacy

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:34:22 AM

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Ah, another holy pharmacy looking out for the evil wimmenz of this world. It's so wonderful of them to look out for our moral welfare.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:35:57 AM

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there are enough drug store chains in this country, no one has to do business with these faith based drug stores. especially for maintenance meds, mail order works better and has been cheaper for me. the power exists with the people, they can choose not to spend money there. simple solution to a non-existent problem.
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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:36:19 AM

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A pharmacy is an extension of the medical profession. They dispense the medication prescribed by doctors. If there is one pharmacy in a small town, and you do not own a vehicle...what do you do if the pharmacist says his religion will not let you get your meds?

Lets say you live in a small town with one pharmacy and a scientologist runs the drug store. What if you are bi-polar or schizophrenic or even have a heart condition that requires maintenance drugs, and you need your meds but he refuses it to you? Checking your yellow gama rays or what ever the hell they espouse is not going to help you much.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:39:48 AM

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Well it appears at times they are mixed. In the article it seems at least the State if Wisconsin got it right.

"Earlier this year in Wisconsin, a state appeals court upheld sanctions against a pharmacist who refused to dispense birth control pills to a woman and wouldn't transfer her prescription elsewhere."

Not filling ok, fair enough, but then refusing to transfer the prescription. A little Holier than thou me thinks they are.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:40:24 AM

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Seems to me that they are promoting the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. That is a sound business strategy, as the more people that get ill, the more pharmacy products they will sell. Expect them to next contaminate the drinking water supply...

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:42:04 AM

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:43:13 AM

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First of all, I do not see the issue with 'mixing faith and ...'
This country is full of people who really LIKE the whole constitution thingamabob, so they will tell you there is freedom of Religion (which there still is, not saying otherwise - it is being interfered with, but, then, so are all our other rights, there are red flags falling on the field on every right, but we haven't lost them just yet...)
But, when you start talking about people PRACTICING their individual faiths, and putting their faith into action, well, now, that is really only okay if their faith pretty much co-incides with what *I* believe. Keep it up and next thing you know we will be France, proudly declaring that it is okay for a Catholic to wear a cruxifix, but a Moslem woman can not cover her hair, under penalty of law.
As to the specifics here, I agree with CL, although I see the potentail for the need for action in the extreme - until that extreme arrives, I just don't see the problem. And, in this modern day and age, I am not sure the extreme is *capable* of arriving, in the case of the drugstores, anyway.
The free market will handle *most* of life's problems. So, if one store choses not to carry certain things, that is pretty much okay. It can only be a problem with BOTH of these conditions of a crisis are met:
1. It is, to some degree, a necessary product. (Drugs certainly qualify)
2. There begins to be virtually NO WHERE you can get that product or service.

RElators should be able to sell their homes to whomever they, or the neiborhood assocation, want, right? Until they start controling the makeup of a community, and discriminating. Honestly, if one neihborhood wants to be lilly white, I say let them - keeps the bigots from living next door to ME. but if it starts being hard for certain people to live where they want to live, that is a problem.
If a half dozen stores don't sell Birth control - honestly, that is their right. Now, if it starts being hard to get your prescription filled in a small town, now there's a problem. But, honestly, unlike housing - can this problem even exist, in modern America? With the internet - and, if you don't have internet access, I bet your doctor does. So the planned parenthood clinic, or GYNs office, in a small town, if EVERY drugstore went this way, (unlikely, but the extreme) - then the clinic or docs office starts filling the prescription for you in office.
What if you can't get an abortion? (Abortion is geographically unavialalbe in two thirds of the United States. Georgraphically unavailable is defined as - would require a hotel stay.) Are you going to conscript doctors and FORCE them to perform abortions?

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:43:31 AM

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quote:

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A pharmacy is an extension of the medical profession. They dispense the medication prescribed by doctors. If there is one pharmacy in a small town, and you do not own a vehicle...what do you do if the pharmacist says his religion will not let you get your meds?

Lets say you live in a small town with one pharmacy and a scientologist runs the drug store. What if you are bi-polar or schizophrenic or even have a heart condition that requires maintenance drugs, and you need your meds but he refuses it to you? Checking your yellow gama rays or what ever the hell they espouse is not going to help you much.

Exactly. I'm so against this. Then again, I'm also a firm believer if your faith gets in the way of treating patients, you have no business being in that field in the first place.

No one should ever be allowed to refuse to fill a prescription a doctor gives a patient because of their religion.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:43:54 AM

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Hmm...

My great aunt lives in a very small town in West Virginia... there is one place to get her meds, and she is hardly mobie at 96. The idea that she should/could just take a bus to a different town to get her meds because the pill-counter prayed to his God and was told she doesn't need her prescription is beyond retarded.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:46:46 AM

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Keep it up and next thing you know we will be France, proudly declaring that it is okay for a Catholic to wear a cruxifix, but a Moslem woman can not cover her hair, under penalty of law.

Not wanting to hijack, but this is completely inaccurate, tsatske.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:47:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

A pharmacy is an extension of the medical profession. They dispense the medication prescribed by doctors. If there is one pharmacy in a small town, and you do not own a vehicle...what do you do if the pharmacist says his religion will not let you get your meds?

Lets say you live in a small town with one pharmacy and a scientologist runs the drug store. What if you are bi-polar or schizophrenic or even have a heart condition that requires maintenance drugs, and you need your meds but he refuses it to you? Checking your yellow gama rays or what ever the hell they espouse is not going to help you much.

*gasp* But when people argue "freedom of religion" they don't mean Scientologists and other such weirdos...*crosses self*.
They mean good, hard working, Patriotic, Christian folk...

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:47:58 AM

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greetings puella :)

my first thought was it is a business owned by an individual and the business should therefore have the right to sell, or not sell, whatever they choose. i believe strongly that the government has enough on it's plate that it does not need to pokes its nose into everything. plus, i generally just don't approve of the government being involved in so many things that should be the choice of the individual.

however, a co-worker and i just spoke about it. she's originally from very rural West Virginia. she pointed out that there are many, many rural places (like where she grew up) that do not have the choice of going to CVS or RiteAid or the local drugstore or Walmart or K-Mart or or or. they have -- the local drugstore. and if the pharmacist is allowed to not sell birth control, the folks in these rural areas have had the choice taken from them of whether or not to use birth control.

i still believe in the government staying out of the private sector. but her point is extremely valid. so, in this instance, i am moved to think that if a pharmacy is "for the people," it needs to be for ALL the people and, therefore, needs to sell any and all preciption medications.

well wishes,
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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:49:36 AM

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medical ethics do not require a practitioner to go against his or her beliefs in order to practice. they allow for a practitioner to decline to participate in something that is morally improper to them. it's up to the patient to find someone whose practice policies agree with their own. just like you cannot demand a doctor perform an abortion just because he/she has the medical knowledge to perform said procedure, you cannot force them to dispense medicine they find morally offensive. it might seem wrong to some, but any medical ethics course will tell you the same thing. i took medical ethics last semester. they don't even have to refer you to a morally compatible provider. right or wrong, that's the way it is. right and wrong are concepts, not laws set in stone, so the issue is subject to interpretation based on the individual's moral code.
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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:49:59 AM

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What I want to know is how these pharmacists are trained and how they end up qualifying and getting licensed. When medical professionals have outdated medieval beliefs, it's time to rethink the way they're hired in the first place.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:50:16 AM

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Yes, Puella, it is. But it is not neceassarrily a problem to be legislated.
If her pill counter prayed and feels VERY STRONGLY that he can no longer, in light of His faith, sell certain drugs, are you saying a law requiring him to will help?
If he feels this way strongly, He will just shut down, and leave his field, as halfshy suggested he do.
Now your grandma is on the bus to get her scripts filled, anyway.
Serriously - mail order drugs would probably be eisier for her, but sometimes old folks have trouble with new fangled ideas. But if her doc wanted her on a drug that the pharmacy in town would not sell her, her doc would deal with that, (provided he actually had the brains necessary to get through med school.) Doctors deal with the real world, all the time. With the 'I can't afford this drug', the 'I can't get out to come to your office or get my drugs', the 'my mental illness makes it unlikely i will take my drugs regularly'.. if they are not dealing with the real world, and just dispensing perfect world advice, they are not doctoring.

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RE: Faith based drug stores.... - 10/29/2008 6:54:48 AM

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Sorry, but I never suggested anyone shut down anything. I don't think religion and medicine is a good mix, and I never will. If someone feels their bible is a better alternative for medicine than a doctor's, then I do feel they picked the wrong field for a career. No one has the right to stick their bible in anyone's uterus or any other region of their body for that matter.

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