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Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 12:16:08 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		C4 news just reported that the head of the Japanese airforce is now looking for a new job after posting comments to a website that Japan was not an aggressor in WWII, contrary to the official Japanese govt position and likely to piss off the Chinese as much as the rest of us.

I think he might find his reception at the job centre be a bit "Pearl Harbor" so to speak

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 12:35:09 PM   
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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 12:44:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Against the US it could be argued that they were not the aggressor since the US was trying to cut off Japan's oil supply.

China, Mongolia I think, they had invaded.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:20:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		We call people like that "liars" or "whack jobs" in this country. 

I am not surprised that it took one postfor someone to try to connect them to the Bush Whitehouse.  Amazingly enough people, not everything in this world has something to do with Bush.  He's a poor president but he is not in charge of everything in the world.  If you are that obsessed with the man, get psychiatric help.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:24:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japanese soldiers were in the army of the emperor. The emperor was chosen by god, therfor the soldiers were gods soldiers.
How can it be wrong when god orders you to attack?

(ps..not my view....but I saw this docu 1 week ago)

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:36:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		But. they were aggressors.  In other words, they started the fight.  That does not indicate right or wrong.  That is usually done by the winner after the war is over.
Had they won, they would be able to say that te US was endangering their people with oil sanctions and that they had to attack.  They still would have been the aggressors but they would have been able to claim that they were justified in attacking.  Since they lost, they go down in history as attempting to build an empire without the thought of what was right.  Thats the way it works.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:39:30 PM   
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How can it be wrong when god orders you to attack?

God always sides with the victors.

Flip side.....it's only wrong when you lose.


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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:40:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you, but the guy didn't.
Japan needed to expand then...atleast they thought. They were forced.

We all know better...but Europe was very busy in Asia too with colonies. So they felt threatened.
KInda can understand...looking at that time period...how they felt.
They just did it in a terrible inhuman way.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:46:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought it was accepted that Japan felt economic aggression from the United States…a competition for resources that they were loosing. They thought the only way to save their way of life was to push the US and its influence out of the south pacific.

Maybe the US economic aggression is what he was talking about?
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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:46:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
God always sides with the victors.


people that die pray a lott too

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 1:55:45 PM   
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true..and when you look back...it isn;t that weird..not?
Why can the west conquer Asia..but Japan couldn't take anything at all.
Besides that...war is just shit.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 2:06:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan's war did not start on Dec 7'th,cutting off oil imports to Japan was a direct consequence of Japanese aggression in Manchuria and China proper...in other words the man's opinion is ridiculous.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 2:07:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Economic pressure is often a reason for war...after all the US has had many little to big wars over oil. But I don't see how the Japanese could accuse the US of aggression when the reason of that aggression was their rape of China.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 2:10:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know..I didn't live then. ( We, the Netherlands had the Dutch indies..so we can't judge really about others agression overthere)
Japan still has no minerals....and I think they are stil in war with Russia over some oildfields on Islands.
NOw they are of course different then those days...but what you don't have..you had to get.

I could slap myself for forgetting the name of the docu I saw. It was interesting. ..and gruesome sadly

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 3:10:03 PM   
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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 5:14:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Japan's war did not start on Dec 7'th,cutting off oil imports to Japan was a direct consequence of Japanese aggression in Manchuria and China proper...in other words the man's opinion is ridiculous.


One can't look at history as one event. Japan wanted to be left alone in the 19th century, the US forced Japan to open its ports and sign what became known to the Japanese as the humiliation of the unequal treaties. Britain was another western country involved, they forced treaties on China. That is the seed from which Japanese militarism grew. Japan could see that if it didn't modernize, it would become a western colony. Once Japan got to some strength, it wanted what western countries had, empires and it wasn't just Europe that had empires, the US made imperial expansions into the Pacific. So the idea that the Japanese invasion of Mancuria was bad, what are we to make of western imperial powers (US included) subjugating lands in the Pacific? Western countries portraying themselves as victims of Japanese aggression while not accepting their own aggression is a refusal of western countries to take a good look at themselves. The US was an aggressive power, as was Britain, as was several European countries. What the fuck was all these western countries doing in that region of the world, setting up vacation destinations or ripping off the locals? The mistake Japan made was to be more brutal to the people in lands they conquered than westerners, otherwise they would probably have been welcomed as liberators.

This Japanese officer is doing exactly the same as westerners do, Europeans and Americans, pretending to be innocent victims when both were as bad as each other.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 5:35:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		You don't consider a blockade a form of aggression ? What if someone did that to us ?

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 5:42:50 PM   
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You don't consider a blockade a form of aggression ? What if someone did that to us ?

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I totally agree it was aggression. The US blockade was not about international peace, it was every bit about power as Japanese actions were.  The west is always disingenuous about its acts of aggression, seeing them as benigh while seeing its enemy's as malicious. They are both the same. The situation in the thirties didn't happen in a vacuum. Just like Iran didn't happen in a vacuum. Another case where the west refuses to acknowlege its responsibility.

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 5:45:51 PM   
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Japan's war did not start on Dec 7'th,cutting off oil imports to Japan was a direct consequence of Japanese aggression in Manchuria and China proper...in other words the man's opinion is ridiculous.



What do you think the U.S. response would be to China or N. Korea or Iran stationing a hundred jet fighters in Mexico?  I know what we did when Russia put a few nukes in Cuba.
You may have heard of the "Flying Tigers"
We injected ourselves into that conflict.  If you read history you will find numerous accounts of Roosevelt commenting that he needed Japan to make the first overt strike.  So step by step we shut off their supply of strategic materials both directly and through our Allies.  It was known as the ABCD group.  America,Britain,China,Dutch.  If you look at a pre 1940 map of the area you will see that the four countries named pretty much had Japan surrounded.
Tojo told the Emperor that if they pulled in the fishing fleet and did nothing more militarily their strategic reserves of oil would expire in two years.  At which time they would be pretty much "Anybodies bitch".

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RE: Japan not the aggressor in WWII - 10/31/2008 5:52:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meatcleaver is totally accurate as is often the case..

It never ceases to amaze me how people fall into the "my leader good your leader bad" syndrome.
Millions of innocents have died because of that.

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