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ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 3:14:25 AM)

Hey look! I'm now "Kinky"!  Woohoo!!!

In your face, Message Boards!

~Dave



stella41b -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 3:16:28 AM)

Not that I'm in complete disagreement with the OP, I'm not. I see his point clearly.

I mean when you get messages like 'how r u' and 'msg me' I can tell that maybe some people think Scrabble is perhaps somehow connected with the bathroom.

I've been back in the UK three years now and it's taken me just as long to get to know new words like 'chav', 'innit' not to mention all the acronyms people use in e-mails, c-mails and IM chat messaging.

Seeing people use words such as 'dominate' to describe themselves or activities such as 'canning' (where do they get all the metal?) is one thing, but most frightening are the amount of mails I receive in my Inbox from people who either haven't read or understood my profile.



dreamysubmale -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 3:23:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

If someone has bad spelling / grammar it is a turn off and I am not going to correct them.  Sometimes people make mistakes, yet chronic errors make the person merely on the verge of illiterate IMO.

If someone cannot self-improve or does not even have the most of the free education system around them then that is not my problem.

Leave the Helen Keller nonsense to the professionals and for those that choose to get help for their literacy problems as adults-God less em.

Too much work for a kink/dating site to dwell on other's errors.  Block the person if it bothers you so much or offer to teach them the proper way.  If you are not qualified or have the time and patience for that, drop the subject alltogether. It is moot around here.



With all due respect, what if that person happens to speak, say five different languages and English is not their mother language? Would you still think they are illiterate?

And do i have to state every time I post, that English isn’t my native language as not to be conceived illiterate?


I know there are spell checkers (I use them).What about the grammar, is there a program that can help you correct it?




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 4:22:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69
I know this thread exists elsewhere and has been beaten to death but fer chrissakes, people, please try to put just a little bit of effort into what you write!  Our words here are the only way we have of getting to know each other short of meeting in person.  And like it or not, we all judge each other based on th evidence presented........Not trying to rip anyone - merely trying to pre-empt some incorrect usage.
And oh how I wish CM had a spell checker.  I'm a fairly good speller but I'm also pretty lazy :D

Shields up, flame away!

~Dave


I put the above into my nuclear powered super computer and it found a billion red, green and blue squiggles. [8|]



OrionTheWolf -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 6:00:09 AM)

I see someone else has the problem as well. Ever thought about why you felt the compulsion to correct me? I find it interesting in the answers I get from those that are irritated by poor spelling or grammer. If the idea is conveyed then communication has been achieved. Anything else seems to be just making things look pretty.


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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Have you ever asked yourself why it bothers you so badly?


Badly rather than bad ----->  Badly is an adverb.  Adverbs modify nouns, verbs, and other adverbs.  They tell "to what extent" something is being done. 

*giggles*  You're welcome, Orion.  *bats eyelashes*   [:)]



MadAxeman -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 6:07:25 AM)

Having fer chrissakes in the opening sentence spoilt this for me.



lilmissdefiant -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 6:09:58 AM)

My brain hurts already.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 6:10:14 AM)

Also many times I have said you can't start a sentence with 'and' but does anymany heed my advisage?



windchymes -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 6:22:44 AM)

Sometimes we take a little 'grammatical license' when writing something, especially when writing something humorous, because the effect is just better.  For example, we could write something like "I figured out the answer to that geometry problem simply by drawing pictures in the air with my hands, and I haven't had my coffee yet."

If you write it "I figured out the answer to that geometry problem simply by drawing pictures in the air with my hands.  And, I haven't had my coffee yet."  it's not grammatically correct, but the "And, I haven't had my coffee yet" as a separate sentence fragment gives it just a little more punch and (hopefully!) a touch of humor.  (Ok, maybe not, but I honestly haven't had my coffee yet and I couldn't come up with a better example.)

Also, thanks to all of you who explained the who/whom thing.  (Whom explained???) [:D]



DesFIP -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 6:38:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dreamysubmale

With all due respect, what if that person happens to speak, say five different languages and English is not their mother language? Would you still think they are illiterate?

And do i have to state every time I post, that English isn’t my native language as not to be conceived illiterate?


I know there are spell checkers (I use them).What about the grammar, is there a program that can help you correct it?




If you aren't fluent in a language, or have learning disabilities, then add that to a sig line. You get a lot more leeway when people do know what's going on. Since the members on this site are overwhelmingly native English speakers, it really won't occur to us that someone else isn't.

If you want people to know that, then the onus is on you to inform them and not on them to guess.

As far as grammar check, doesn't Office have that?

In forum posting, no one expects that everyone will c & p stuff into Office to spell and grammar check unless they have such a problem with English that they need to in order to be understood. But in email, we do expect clear understanding which means do take the time to c & p and check first.

And there is a Murphy's Law about spotting someone else's errors and pointing them out. It clearly states that in return we will have at least one glaringly obvious error of our own. [;)]



OneMoreWaste -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 7:11:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b
If this were a message board in Polish - a language which has 96 different verbs which mean 'to shit' and eight grammatical cases - I wonder how we would fare as Poles on this message board?


I'd have to avoid any scat threads, that's for sure.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
And there is a Murphy's Law about spotting someone else's errors and pointing them out. It clearly states that in return we will have at least one glaringly obvious error of our own. [;)]


There's also a Vigilante Law Of Internet Language Peeves, as demonstrated by the OP [:D]  It's like building a glass house, and then starting a rock fight on your front lawn.



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 8:51:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

In my senior year of high school I had an English Lit class and we spent (wasted) over a month on grammar.  I always did well on the quizzes and when the other kids asked me how I knew it I just replied that I learned in back in 4th grade - WHEN THEY TAUGHT IT THE 1ST TIME!

have you ever considered that some were slower learners than you or didn't have the same advantages like you did during your educational upbringing?  not everyone can be a genius with the English language or master it so well.  i mastered the English language and grammar at an early age (because of my upbringing) however i didn't thumb my nose down on my fellow students who had a hard time learning grammar.

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Not trying to rip anyone - merely trying to pre-empt some incorrect usage.
And oh how I wish CM had a spell checker.  I'm a fairly good speller but I'm also pretty lazy :D


if you weren't, then why post a whiny complaint?



Lordandmaster -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:05:21 AM)

"Because" is classified as a conjunction (at least in the sense we're talking about), so basically you're right about this, but logically it does make some sense to think of "because" clauses as adverbial clauses inasmuch as they always modify the verb in the main clause.  Specifically, they answer the question "Why?"  Adverbial clauses answer the other Wh- questions pertaining to verbs, namely "When?" "Where?" and "How?"  ("Who?" and "What?" are answered by nouns.)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I still feel that a subordinate clause introduced by "because" is not an adverbial clause.



NuevaVida -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:13:46 AM)

~ Fast Reply ~

I wonder if the grammar sticklers feel the same about those who are mathematically challenged, scientifically challenged, or have any other educational challenges. Are they experts in everything, or are they experts only in grammar? If it's the latter, doesn't that make them hypocritical?

I actually received an email from a poster here, likening me to someone with a fifth grade education, because of a misspelling. And I wonder, what are this person's finance & accounting skills? Obviously his/her knowledge and skills of the human psyche is challenged, but hey, his/her spelling is cool, so yay.

People communicate their thoughts the best way they can. If we can look beyond the delivery method and actually receive the message, we might actually learn something new, rather than remain stuck in our own prison of "the way it ought to be."



Lordandmaster -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:17:45 AM)

I really don't think people with bad grammar are "grammatically challenged."  To turn pop-psychology against itself, I'd call the whole "challenged" paradigm an ENABLING FACTOR in people's incompetence.  Oh, I don't suck at grammar; I'm just grammatically challenged.  The basic rules of English grammar are simple enough that anyone can learn them.  Sure, most people aren't taught very well in school.  But there are PLENTY of clear and straightforward manuals of grammar that people could master if they put in enough time.

The real problem is that people don't think it's important.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:20:14 AM)


Once again with the starting sentences with a conjunction.



Lordandmaster -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:21:14 AM)

You can start sentences with a conjunction if you know what you're doing.  (BUT most people don't know what they're doing.)



moonvine -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:27:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster


And I doubt 10% of the population correctly distinguishes between "discreet" and "discrete."




I actually have this in my profile, but also state that I am not looking for either, so that should cover everyone.  What percentage of the kinky population do you think correctly distinguishes between "dominant" and "dominate"?  Whenever I see  a profile that starts out with something like "I am a dominate male" I skip over that one too.



moonvine -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:28:37 AM)

I'd love to know where they get the metal too...*snort*



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: It's Only Grammar! (11/1/2008 11:32:53 AM)

I see no reason for the full stop before the 'but' but I accept some people have slightly less strict rules regarding this. Similarly I wouldn't put a comma in front of one either, this is what I was taught anyway. I guess we were all taught something different and we can’t all be right therefore.



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