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Well setting it up would have to start with knowing what we're dealing with. For example Candy, you are a lawyer, if you get back into the swing of that that is a barterable commodity. IIRC you are not licensed in Ohio, but anyone can write a contract. Your knowledge of the field might qualify you to write a "better" contract than I would. I would define better as being firm, clear and concise, and being the most enforcable in a court.
Actually legal advice is OK for those who are highly literate. Remember the CHI idea ? well C who would have been my bricklayer had a turn of events, his ex boss (R) came back. Eventually they had a falling out for good reason. Well C left R's employ and R refused to pay him his last pay until he signed a document. It stated that C agrees not to work for any of R's customers. As you may have known even before law school, such an agreement must have a time limit as well as a defined geographical area. At least that is Ohio law. This had neither, and was written by someone who considers himself a student of the law, Constitutional law to be specific. In fact the reason he is back is because he beat the court on appeal and won a full acquittal.
However this fact escaped him, as well as the fact that C is largely uncollectable. In other matters, when DA was around I said I would like to have a look at the leases his lawyer wrote, and see if there is someway they would be enforcable under Ohio law. I think that would more be your territory.
So if you did that for me, a bit of legal research, what would I do for you ? Fix your car or TV or something ? Or have my mechanics fix your car and then I go fix his TV, or something like that.
Or it could be leather goods for other restraint items, like furniture. Nice idea but how many sets of cuffs equal a St Andrew's cross ? (or would that be St Andrews per the grammar thread ?)
I have brought this up before, how to assign value. I can go to work and make the equivalent of about $29 an hour, and in profession maybe I should get that, but what if I am doing something else, something in which I may not be as proficient ? Or something that is simply worth less money, like an oil change, sweeping floors or for that matter, rolling joints. (I am not all that good)
Like the example, accurate or not, of examining a lease for me and determining if it is enforcable in Ohio. It should not be a big deal, and realistically alot of research can be done by paralegals. However it is probably better to have someone with the actual degree to direct said research. In that case it would be your choice to grab some college girls to do the research, as maybe a para-paralegal. Perhaps even barter with them. But if you decided not to share the "profit" and do the "legwork" yourself, you probably shouldn't charge as much as you would for actual litigation or certain other things. Nor should I charge you full price that I pull in for what I do at work (would rather be a lawyer actually) for example, to connect a nighttime/winter battery trickle charger to your car.
Sorry I remember almost everything.
The main thing is to keep the tax man out of this. It doesn't really work when you have to screw around with that, there will be enough to deal with. Starting up, people will have to make adjustments after they either sell themselves short or price themselves out of a deal or three. No reporting, while I would be able to handle the tax man, we can't expect everyone to, and once one capitulates, we all fall down. They will come for us one by one. It would only take one, once the paper trail is started, it is very hard to stop.
The place in Willowick I used to work is involved with an "above board" form of barter. This includes several local businesses and because they are operating in commerce, they pay taxes etc., if company resources are used to produce what is bartered, it falls under the umbrella so to speak. If you pay taxes you go by their rules. Therefore when I fixed this dandy cieling mounted projector that was used to pay their mechanic for some work done on the company truck, using company time and parts/resources which are deductible, that means it is taxable.
Each company had to write an invoice for services or whatever and declare a dollar value on it to be included in their income. Although the potential for abuse was there (and I would surely abuse it) I think it better to just not go there.
Maybe a chronological approach would be better. Perhaps a few people could figure out "credits" or something like that. Stay away from dollar values except as reference such as "I sell these on eBay for $____" and such. Then perhaps something fair can be derived after some time.
"I'll trade you two sets of leather lined steel cuffs for a bondage frame". Or "I'll trade you a full season of maintainence landscaping for those three ladders in your garage".
That's the problem, it could be anything. If you or anyone has ideas about how to make this work, I am all for it bigtime. It's almost tantamount to setting up a different currency system. We know how long that took last time, and of course now we know how long it took to wreck it. But I would definitely avoid the use of the word dollar as much as possible, and actually invent a new unit.
There are other problems. For example, getting your furnace fixed is alot more valuable in January then in July. Vice versa for the AC. Another is materials. I could make you a pizza and bring it over, what is that worth ? With your list of "haves" so to speak I need nothing from you at the moment. Do we then start trading credits ? Also if I made you the sheet deluxe it would cost me near twenty bucks in the ingredients. I can't get those for credits unless there are some nearby farms of which I am unaware. (actually there are but then I would have to get them into the system)
If this can be worked out somehow I would like to do it, I just can't see it on a large scale. On a large scale there would be differences and then there would have to be some form of arbitration, damn, that's what we're doing now ! It might be better on a small local level.
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