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RE: So Is There an Economist In The House? - 11/1/2008 8:44:23 PM   
Lorr47


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Hey you guys; what is your opinion about a amendment to the US Constitution to require a balanced budget?
 
I lived under a 'balanced budget' regime at the state level in Florida, not that they didn't dodge the prohibition in various ways, but it did seem to limit the state's spending. 
 
I support the idea at the federal level with one reservation -- the country cannot repay a $9 trillion debt in one year.  It'd have to written to require the government to reduce debt in some sensible manner until the budget was finally balanced, and thereafter, not allow further debt.
 
But does the federal government's ability to indebt itself serve a useful purpose I'm missing?
 
What about an amendment prohibitting unfunded mandates on state and local jurisdictions?  IMO, this is a form of taxation, and one reason the states and local governments cannot meet their basic obligations.
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The various economic schools of thought have a difficult time defining Stagflation much less dealing with it.  Very simply, there is monetary policy and fiscal policy.  Stagflation plays hell with monetary policy because when you try to increase growth  by lowering interest rates you invite inflation to become even worse.  If you try to fight inflation by increasing interest rates you can tank the economy even further.  The problem is that during Stagflation you have terrible growth problems and terrible inflationary problems.  Volker  faught inflation in the 1980s and won although the ecomomy ended up in a recession.  Volker's policy  may have merely lucked out.   If you think the above is clear as mud consider this from Wiki: "The problem for fiscal policy is far less clear. Both revenues and expenditures tend to rise with inflation, and with balanced budget politics, they fall as growth slows. Unless there is a differential impact on either revenues or spending due to stagflation, the impact of stagflation on the budget balance  is not altogether clear. One school of thought is that the best policy mix is one in which government  stimulates growth through increased spending or reduced taxes, while the central bank fights inflation  through higher interest rates. Whatever theory is employed, coordinating fiscal and monetary policy is  not an easy task." Perhaps all you can do is to choose between competing theories and pray.  I do not think anyone is sure about what to do much less about cause and effect.  At some point Stagflation has the price of commodities such as oil going through the roof ; the government driving interest rates into the ground;  the government  increasing the money supply----Unfortunately that sounds like what our leaders have already done to the economy.

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RE: So Is There an Economist In The House? - 11/2/2008 2:20:30 AM   
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Well at least I did FINALLY "get it"....the man writing it didn't amke it easy to read for a no-economist....and still scared the hell out of me....

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RE: So Is There an Economist In The House? - 11/2/2008 5:37:37 AM   
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So people mental state and belief create the economic situation. The only way to head off an economic decline is to change peoples mind.


It drives me crazy when I sit at home and listen to all the doomsday news reports. Either the media doesn't understand the psychological element of economics, doesn't care, or really wants to drive things down into a depression.

There is one poster here (can't remember who) who had a habit of "spreading the bad news" with constant doomsdays threads about how everything is going to be SO BAD in the future.

Our own fascination with watching Rome burn is starting the fires.


Actually Mad, the media was late to the party. Foreclosures were on the rise and the housing market was in deep trouble at least 12 months before it hit the news in a big way.  In the business I work in I deal with a lot of foreclosures and one of the properties we manage was averaging 10-14 houses per month for about 8 months last year, now it's averaging around 6-8.


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RE: So Is There an Economist In The House? - 11/4/2008 2:06:50 AM   
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For once cory I am in complete agreement with you. Congress will never pass a balance budget admendment, it is the center of thier power and they rationalize it by saying a flexiable monetary policy is necessary for economic stimulation during bad times. Of course this only works if they have the discipline to tighten monetary policy during good times. I love the link but negative indicates a deficit and not an indication of increasing or decreasing of size. In that vein a decending or negative number is real bad and show bush's deficits actually increased  as a percentage of GDP for most of his term and has tapered down in the last two years. Also the table shows increasing deficits under Regan & Bush Senior & Bush Jr and decreasing deficits under Clinton as well as budgetary surplus in the years of 1998 through 2001 (though Bush Jr stared to reduce it once he got into office in 2000).

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