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Padriag -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/5/2008 3:32:07 AM)

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oceanwynds -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/5/2008 4:42:08 AM)

Padriag, thank you.

oceanwynds




ranja -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/6/2008 6:45:07 AM)

I've had a few Dominatrix friends who were complete subs IRL.
 
well who would have thought, thanks for that bit of info






MmeGigs -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/6/2008 9:36:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness
BDSM and vanilla are different ways of life...


How so? 




DragonDaddy -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/6/2008 2:18:12 PM)

Don't forget my favorite....DADDYDOM! lol. To me a Daddydom is a strong dominant (male lol) who is in the role of teacher, guardian, and possibly lover and is supposed to be very strict to ensure the sub gains much of the power of the daddy, but when the sub looks at the daddy with big wet eyes, the daddy folds like a chump and gives his little girl anything she wants and spoils her rotten.....sighs....at least that's how we define it in our household...lol.

On an acedemic note, I have met those who claim to be dominant yet "bottom" during scening with their submissive partner "topping"....basically the one getting spanked is getting spanked because she comanded her submissiev to dominate her and the submissive had no option but to abide. And deeper the rabbit hole goes...




IrishMist -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/6/2008 3:29:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MmeGigs

quote:

ORIGINAL: JustDarkness
BDSM and vanilla are different ways of life...


How so? 

Thank you. I saw this and was going to comment on it also.

I am curious to hear what the difference is.




MaamJay -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/6/2008 3:50:58 PM)

I'm in general agreement with most of the definitions here so won't reiterate them. However I will add one that I've found suits Me and a few others I have met or corresponded with:

Duality - the type of switch that doesn't compartmentalise their dominant and submissive natures/roles/personas (call them what you will) into totally different timeslots but can operate both more or less simultanously with two different people. Eg my sub side can serve Master while My Domme side issues an order to My sub.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




Icarys -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (11/24/2008 6:27:56 AM)

The words are different for each definition but the core of what everyone is saying seems to me the same.

What da ya know.




DemonKia -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 1:14:42 PM)

Excellent thread, thanks much . .. . .

I want to add (some other(s) brought this up, but I wanted to clearly state):

Service Top: may be any orientation, but in the moment 'service topping' is doing something to a bottom that the bottom wants done . . . . .

I've encountered more than a few dominants who like to receive 'bottom' activities, & look for or train their subs / slaves to provide those topping services . .. . . While retaining control of the situation throughout . ... . .

Best,
The Demon, Kia




DesFIP -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 2:06:51 PM)

If you like having your feet rubbed, then why is that something that dominants get but if you enjoy a heavier sensation aka bastinado, you are automatically classifies as sub? It's a sensation and has nothing to do with whether you prefer to be the leader or the follower in the relationship.

Or is anyone who likes their sushi with lots of wasabi a closet sub, because they enjoy having their mouth burn?

This stuff drives me batty!




MasterDarkSadist -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 4:06:14 PM)

While I will agree with the OP that most here interchange Master/Dominant/slave/submissive without any thought what so ever, I tend to disagree with that perspective, with regard to my own life and experiences. 

For the purposes of the way that I use the titles, there are huge differences, and there are differences that are minute.  The reason for the differentiation is necessary to allow for a logical train of thought within a post.  Furthermore, I believe that the lines have been purposefully blurred because being submissive or a bottom is somehow less than one who is a slave.  This is untrue.  Be who you are, and don't think for a second that your value has anything to do with the role that you prefer within the lifestyle.  The only thing that it does make a difference in is who you play with/who you are with/etc.  That being said, differentiation is necessary and positive for rational discussion, because there are differences worth noting between Masters/Dominants/slaves/submissives/Top/bottom.

I choose not to be politically correct because doing so makes everything grey, when it need not be in order to protect someone's feelings from something that should not offend them in the first place.  Kinda like making the title of a car washer into motor vehicle cleanliness professional.  It does not change the function of the job, only serves to stroke the ego of the employee.

With all of that in mind, lets get down to the nitty gritty of these titles.

1.  Master:  One who participates in a M/s style relationship.  The power dynamic within this relationship is of total power imbalance. 
2.  Dominant:  One who participates in a D/s style relationship, which has a power imbalance but the submissive being able to retain some power over their own life.
3.  slave:  one who participates in a M/s style relationship, and willingly participates in a relationship with a total power imbalance.
4.  submissive;  one who participates in a D/s style relationship, and willingly submits under prearranged terms.
5.  Top:  one who provides a prearranged, time specific, experience to a bottom. 
6.  bottom;  one who accepts a prearranged, time specific, experience from a Top.

While we may argue about the semantics of what the functional differences between M/s, D/s are, why must we tear those walls down?  Why is it positive for the lifestyle for the definitions to be useless.  If I say that I am looking for a slave, using the abovementioned definitions as a reference point, how is that bad for a potential partner of mine?  What if they are (according to the above definitions) a submissive, but not a slave?  What good does it do for me or my potential partner to be unable to decipher this difference beforehand?  How is this positive?  I won't be satisfied by a submissive, and a submissive would be mentally incapable of dealing with me.  Just the same if a slave was talking to a Top.  A slave needs, wants, and desires a totally different experience than a Top can (or would want) to provide.

The main difference, as I see it is this;  the different terms denote different desired outcomes of a potential relationship, and how they identify as within the lifestyle.  Taking away these identifications will only serve to make finding another who could fit with you that much more difficult.

What would happen if I was no longer allowed to identify as a heterosexual male?  What would I be?  How would a potential mate decide of they wanted to get to know me better, but they were a heterosexual female, yet they could not identify as that either?  You would have to ask about specific body parts, which are essentially the same with respect to the sex of the person, every time you wanted to get to know if someone fit you.  Even if not all heterosexual females are not a good fit to you, it is one of the most basic requirements of a heterosexual male (what good does it do for a heterosexual male to hit on another heterosexual male?). 

My thought is that these core definitions were torn down in order to satisfy someone's desire for inclusion versus percieved exclusion.  While placing a label on yourself may seem to be exclusionary, it is actually the most basic way to include yourself within a population with which you fit.  Who cares if an auto-shop mechanic goes to a hair salon.  Does removing the titles really change what the respective people are capable of doing in the workplace?  Or does it make hiring the right person that much more difficult.  What happens if you accidentally hire the mechanic to cut hair?  Whoops!








MasterDarkSadist -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 4:12:28 PM)

The other thing I wanted to say is this:  just because you may not feel you fit into a particular category, does not mean that you don't.  A better way to get at what I am trying to say is this.  I told my slave that her only duty was to obey without question any command that was given to her.  This is the only RULE in my house.  Every other action that I ask of her is a byproduct of that rule.  There is nothing that it does not encompass, yet it allows me and her the freedom to not have to memorize a whole onslaught of rules, etc.  There is not a loophole to that rule.  It is an inescapable truth. 

Just as my above example is broadly definite, the definitions within the lifestyle are also broadly definite.  Dom/Master/sub/slave/top/bottom exist for the purpose of the person being able to self-identify within the community.  Sure, they may have different levels of play, YET, they still all fall under one category or another, no matter how badly they want not to be. 




DemonKia -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 5:04:11 PM)

Hmmmm, may not be absolutely clear from what I posted, but I think dominance / submission are more about attitudes / mindsets / orientations, & that top / bottom has more to do with activities . . . .. & that's how I tend to use them . . . . .

It should go without saying but is occasionally worth the repetition: data points vary widely . .. . . (I, myself, generally like to stay at least 3 standard deviations from the norm . . . lol . . . Tho' I consider myself kinda mean . . . . . . lol)

Best,
The Demon, Kia




WiseCracknSadist -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 6:01:45 PM)

My definitions:
sub- has the right to veto certain acts or requests. ( On a personal note. I feel if the veto is used too often it us topping.)

slave- has no right to veto or any other rights for that matter. ( I find slaves to be mythical beings like unicorns, real ones are seldom seen. I've seen countless "slaves" leave their Master on these boards.)

Dom- lifemate or responsible party for the sub. ( Experiences will vary.)

Master- owner or responsible party for the slave. ( This just makes sense to me. You can't master a sub only direct. Slaves can be mastered since they have no rights or priveleges unless provided.)




StormsSlave -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 7:03:28 PM)

Ok...here's my two pence:


Dominant - The person in a relationship who provides leadership, usually of a sexual nature.
Submissive - The person in a relationship who cedes to dominant leadership, usually of a sexual nature.
Master - A dominant in a relationship who perceives himself in control of a slave, or uses the term as means of bulstering his ego.
Slave - A submissive in a relationship who seeks to elevate themselves over other submissives by using a more "twue" label to describe themselves.(disclaimer: my user ID here is intended to be tongue in cheek.) 
Top - Ther person holding the whip, doing the fucking, whether it is sexual or sensual (pain is perceived by your senses, folks.). Bottom - The person receiving some action that is sexual or sensual in nature.
D/S - A relationship with a focus on some degree of imbalance of power.
M/S - Same as D/S, but again with the personal elevation.
BDSM - Bondage, discipline, sadism, masochism.  That's it. 
Vanilla - A label used to identify people who's lifestyles and relationships don't identify with the alternative sexuality fringe community and activities that fall outside the umbrella of BDSM, used by the people who identify as being a part of elitist group of non-conventional sexuality.
Switch - Someone who always gets to have a good time!!!! 




twisteddoll -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/1/2009 11:25:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Dominant is a trait but Master is a qualification.



Just asking for the benefit of discussion, what are the qualifications?


How nicely put.  I have one Master, there are a million dominants out there.  Just because you're a dominant, doesn't mean you own me, or that I'm going to call you Sir or submit to you.  In fact, I'm quite un-submissive (lol, if that's even a word) to everyone except my own dominant. (and therefore by definition, Master. =P)




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/2/2009 12:53:39 AM)

One moment while I consult the Dictionary and Wiki-Pedia on BDSM. Just Kidding. Seriously this is going to fire up the classic "sub vs. slave", "Dom vs, Master", D/s vs M/s, Power vs. Authority Debates...

In terms of Vanilla vs. BDSM. Not a debate. BDSM, D/s or the lifestyle is a sub-culture of society. I stress the word phrase "sub-culture". Come on here folks. I have yet to met anybody into BDSM that did not have vanilla interests and spent part of their time living in the vanilla world of so form.

It's a matter of how extreme or how deeply involved with BDSM, D/s or your own fracking orientation. Some people get so caught up into things, and that's okay. Some people are not so caught up in things, that's okay too.

Damn it, find somebody who you are compatible with and work out your relationship details. I've been a Master, I've been part of a Dom couple, I've been in what I call twistked kinky vanilla D/s relationships and D/s relationships. Some relationships were more D/s compared to others. Damn it, too many variables... Including personalities, interests, and desires.

Some people take D/s to extremes that they don't have fun with exchanging or taking turns with top/bottom play. Some people lord forbid a Dom be the bottom to anything save a back massage. Top from the bottom, blah blah blah... Yadda Yadda Yadda..

I'm glad I started doing a lot of this stuff before I discovered "the lifestyle" itself. At times, it's best to simply be "Organic about it".

First and formost, know yourself and find the label that you best fit into and the type or relationship you are looking for.

Wait MadRabbit, what's the difference between Daddy/little girl, Owner/pet, Warden/Prisoner, Master/slave, Husband/wife or Wife/husband, Boyfriend/girlfriend, Girlfriend/boyfriend, FuckBuddy/fuckbuddy or Rocky/Bullwinkle?

If you say to somebody, "Bend Over and I'll drive" and they agree to it, who cares what the label is? Just Fuck, do your kink, explore things, figure out who is boss in what aspects of what areas of life and simply do it, where both people are Happy and content...




GotSteel -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/3/2009 8:48:26 AM)

Whiplashsmile4, I have to agree and disagree with you on that. Terms make it easier for us to communicate, for instance it's a lot faster for a keyholder and a ponygirl to find out that they aren't compatible when they call themselves that then if they just called themselves top and bottom and need to have the whole "so what are you into" conversation. But yeah at some point peoples fantasy terminology can get burdensome. I'm not going to read a 70's scifi series just so I can understand someones post.




Arpig -> RE: The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions (4/3/2009 11:47:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Dominant is a trait but Master is a qualification.

Bah!




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