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defiantbadgirl -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/2/2008 8:16:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 Seriously I think McCain has some deep seated psychological problems due to his experience at the hands of communists where he now suspects all people that oppose his ideas are communists too. I think they call this displacement.[:D] Might want to add Alzheimer's as well. How can anyone lead a country if he can't even remember how many houses he owns?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/2/2008 9:46:38 AM)
Uhhh... I may not like Obama's policy suggestions and ideals but they are far from Socialist Marxist. Comparing his comments on putting the taxes on +250K a year incomes, back to the 90's tax is not redistribution as explained in any Marxist document you care to read. The comparison would be similar to saying that a canary and a duck both have feathers so the canary must be a duck. Secondly, you should look closer to many politicians for the "terrorist" connections you wish to speak of. How many of them have close ties to Saudi's and others that are linked to terrorism? So that is a stretch, and a good example of truth distortion. Capitalism did not seem to work great to bail out much of the mortgage and financial sector. If it did work those institutions should have closed shop. As far as the bail out, both major parties voted for it so it has nothing to do with just Obama or Just McCain. If you do not like Obama for certain things, then state those things in realistic terms not exaggerated and distorted terms. Otherwise you just portray a bad image of yourself, and those that support your cause. If the majority of Americans want a more socialist government, then the elections will show that. quote: ORIGINAL: Battlehammer Obama is a Socialist Marxist. No matter how you try to hide it, he also has ties to terrorists. Socialism was tried when this country was first formed, it failed. How ignorant can you be not to see that capitalism works and works great if government is kept out of it. The ecconomy has fallen to due to crooked and corrupt lenders and their stupid practices. They should of all been allowed to fail and jailed. If you start a business and make poor monetary decisions do you think the government willl or should bail you out? No it should not. Democrats running congress now have decided wrongly to bail those crooks that support them out and they should be thrown out. Those who vote for Obama and his Socialistic and Marxist ideals are not only ignorant but foolish as well!

GreedyTop -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/2/2008 10:19:15 AM)
NICELY said, Orion....

Kirata -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/2/2008 11:04:06 AM)
Aneirin, Personally, I think there are some areas in which taking a capitalist approach is best, and others where taking a more socialistic approach affords us all greater comfort and happiness. For example, health care is not a commodity like beans. You can go without beans if the price gets too high. You can't go without health care. On the other hand, in other areas of life free market competition breeds innovation and bring advantages that cannot be easily achieved otherwise. That said, however, even a bad system, or a bad combination of systems, will work better than expected if it is administered by fair and honest men, and even a perfect one will fail if it is riddled with corruption and greed. I've watched both capitalism and socialism portrayed as the scapegoat and the solution, which being which depending solely on who you're talking to. But I just don't see them as the real issues. It seems commonplace in America that we will vote for the guy who stands for good ol' free markets, or we will vote for the guy who wants to enact programs to help people, largely without respect to the character and connections of either. All we care about is getting what we think we want. We don't want some "left wing socialist" in office, or we don't want some "right wing nut". But no matter which one wins, we rarely end up with a guy who doesn't sooner or later turn out to be a damn fool or a scumbag after all. I have found it interesting when talking to women who have unhappy marriages to ask them what they looked for in a husband. Their answers might be attraction, of course, a good job, a potential future, etc. But they were complaining because he wasn't affectionate, or some other thing which, I couldn't help noticing, wasn't on the list. Like them, voters elect what they are looking for, and end up not getting what they want. There is a clue here. K.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/2/2008 11:43:12 AM)
quote: It seems commonplace in America that we will vote for the guy who stands for good ol' free markets, or we will vote for the guy who wants to enact programs to help people, largely without respect to the character and connections of either. Have to agree with you here. Frankly, I wish elections could be held without all the "issues". The only real issue when electing someone to government is the character of the man or woman. Everything else--and I do mean everything else--is a distraction.

Owner59 -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/2/2008 1:58:58 PM)
Thanks ,Orion. Never thought I`d be saying that.[:)]

corysub -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/3/2008 12:43:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Uhhh... I may not like Obama's policy suggestions and ideals but they are far from Socialist Marxist. Comparing his comments on putting the taxes on +250K a year incomes, back to the 90's tax is not redistribution as explained in any Marxist document you care to read. The comparison would be similar to saying that a canary and a duck both have feathers so the canary must be a duck. Secondly, you should look closer to many politicians for the "terrorist" connections you wish to speak of. How many of them have close ties to Saudi's and others that are linked to terrorism? So that is a stretch, and a good example of truth distortion. Capitalism did not seem to work great to bail out much of the mortgage and financial sector. If it did work those institutions should have closed shop. As far as the bail out, both major parties voted for it so it has nothing to do with just Obama or Just McCain. If you do not like Obama for certain things, then state those things in realistic terms not exaggerated and distorted terms. Otherwise you just portray a bad image of yourself, and those that support your cause. If the majority of Americans want a more socialist government, then the elections will show that. quote: ORIGINAL: Battlehammer Obama is a Socialist Marxist. No matter how you try to hide it, he also has ties to terrorists. Socialism was tried when this country was first formed, it failed. How ignorant can you be not to see that capitalism works and works great if government is kept out of it. The ecconomy has fallen to due to crooked and corrupt lenders and their stupid practices. They should of all been allowed to fail and jailed. If you start a business and make poor monetary decisions do you think the government willl or should bail you out? No it should not. Democrats running congress now have decided wrongly to bail those crooks that support them out and they should be thrown out. Those who vote for Obama and his Socialistic and Marxist ideals are not only ignorant but foolish as well! Great idea...lets get real here! Firstly, Obama's cut off point for "tax benefits"...is a moving target DOWN. His latest number was $200M, his VP thinks it probably is about $100M below that...and the REAL deal here is that whatever the number is it will bear no relation ship, should he win, to the final legislation passed by Pelosi/Reid and sent up to the President. If anyone does not believe that, there is a bridge between Brooklyn and Manhattan that has been bought a few times buy such people. Obama is editing his "words" every day to please the crowds with his charismatic, smooth voice, and a worried mass of people are lapping it up seeking "change"...but having no idea what kind of change is coming under an Obama administration. As far as "terrorist connections"...I'm not thrilled either with the support Saudi Arabia gives to terrorists. I have not heard the "uproar" from the democrats or republicans on this, other than some op-ed commentary or a story on page five. However, we are not talking about personal friends but government/government relationships. The King of Saudi Arabia is not on the board of directors of organizations with political leaders in the U.S. However, Bill Ayers, now known as a good friend of Obama's, who was first described as "a guy in the neighborhood, until the truth was told,DID bomb police stations, government buildings, and the Weathermen were building a bomb that thankfully killed a few of them before it could be set off in nearby Fort Dix during a social for young troopers. It's quite a stretch to compare Saudi Arabia connection with Obama's Ayers friendship...dontcha think? Great bedfellow for a future President, along with his hate America pastor, and convicted felon real estate pal. By the way, such "sound and fury from the media over Cheney endorsing McCain...but nothing said of the "Weathermen" endorsement of Obama....maybe because it was expected?? I also understand that Obama did not ASK for this endorsement, and neither did McCain for Cheney's. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76758 As far as being "real"...I don't think it's realistic to imagine closing down FannieMae or FreddieMac...do you? Both insitutions hold over $5 trillion in mortgages...I don't think you can just turn off the lights, lock the doors and leave. As far as "Capitalism not working"...the markets are already correcting the excess which is what free markets do... In Calfornia, for example, where "the median price is down 33% from a year ago, sales rose 65% amid bargain hunting; half of September's home sales are foreclosures". http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-homes21-2008oct21,0,5677248.story

Shekicromaster -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/3/2008 2:15:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub We don't have that issue in the States...you can start a businesss in a garage and go on to be the second wealthiest person in the country....you can start a small record company and become a billionaire producer of R&R....you can work hard as a plumber and dream about someday owning your own business and earning a six figure income.... and in Europe you can't because...? [8\|] quote: Big Government, centralized control over our lives, dictating what is best for us based on the views of a politician is just not in our genes as Americans. So you really think governments in Europe are stronger and more controlling? Would you care to explain this theory a little?

Shekicromaster -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/3/2008 2:19:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Battlehammer Obama is a Socialist Marxist. [:D]

MrRodgers -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/3/2008 6:56:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 When public dollars are used to guarantee private capital (the 700 billion dollar bail out,remember?),that`s socialism of the worst kind. A nasty little dose of redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich.Job well done,neo-conservatives. I'm scratching my head here trying to really understand what you just said. Redistribution of wealth from poor to rich???? Could you explain your thesis on how this happens? ...If your poor you don't have wealth, you don't have anything to "redistribute". Of course, your idea of being poor might be different than mine. If you are familiar with the $700 billion program, by the way, it was pushed by Bush AND Pelosi and Reid, two people that would get a case of hiccups if ever accused of being neo-conservatives. Can we say..."it was a bipartisan program to save the financial system from collapse"...No one liked the idea..but it was something that had to be done, and is being repeated all over the world by countries from Japan to Iceland, to Switzerland. Where are your reasoning skills ? The redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich is taking taxes from 130 million workers and GIVING it to about 20,000 paper-traders..er investors. If the repubs held congress, it would have started at $1 Trillion or more also with more to come. Funny how there is no window and teller at the treasury or fed for you and me cory. This $700 Billion rip-off has been pushed by almost EVERBODY in power and wall street...those on the receiving end. The govt. also take those taxes and GIVE $20 Billion a year to agriculture. Agriculture throughout western civilization has been on the dole for overr 70 years. We can accurately call it farm welfare AND/OR socialized farming. Govt, takes further billions and GIVES it to ethanol producers...shall I go on.

MrRodgers -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/3/2008 6:59:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shekicromaster quote: ORIGINAL: Battlehammer Obama is a Socialist Marxist. [:D] A clear oxymoron. Marx was a communist which is not at all...a socialist. But again, we have socialism NOW...for the investor class, bankers and farming among others.

MrRodgers -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/3/2008 7:22:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76758 As far as being "real"...I don't think it's realistic to imagine closing down FannieMae or FreddieMac...do you? Both insitutions hold over $5 trillion in mortgages...I don't think you can just turn off the lights, lock the doors and leave. As far as "Capitalism not working"...the markets are already correcting the excess which is what free markets do... In Calfornia, for example, where "the median price is down 33% from a year ago, sales rose 65% amid bargain hunting; half of September's home sales are foreclosures". http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fi-homes21-2008oct21,0,5677248.story Absolutely un-fucking believable. In a FREE market...wall street goes bankrupt, the courts straighten it all out and the our greedy capitalist scum can go out and get a real job. Cory, the capitalist has you...hook, line and sinker. Capitalism is NOT a free market. The fed does not serve the free market, it prints money and then decides for themselves what interest you pay for it. It minipulates rates and the supply of capital and as much precipitated this bailout (easy money) as any institution we have. The correction in real estate has nothing whatever to do with a free market when we have $5 trillion of mortgage notes bought up by a federally gauranteed (socialized) mortage warehousing corp. designed specifically to take the risks out of mortgaging while profits are enjoyed...privately. Just what is it going to take for the people of this country to realize the power of businesses, wall street and the investor class ? What will it take for people to understand that we are transferring $Trillion of the wealth from the labor in this country to the capitalists ? People read it and weep...decades of socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. That's your 'mixed' economy and it will have your kids paying off what...$20 trillion, $30 trillion in debt...to bail out the rich ?

vegeta -> RE: Socialist America ? (11/3/2008 9:35:04 AM)
They are the guide lines. one day the people will wake up with the iron heel of marxism on their necks and we will revolt. And it won't be pretty.

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