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Termyn8or -> RE: What is Death? (11/5/2008 10:48:56 AM)
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An, that's really how you spell it there ? grammes ?
You and stella beat me to it. What I saw and or read though did not say 22 grams, it was a fraction of a gram actually. When a person died, they actually had them on the table and at the moment of death, they actually weighed just a tinge less. It was not alot, but was enough to not even be attributable to a fart. If there is gas, which is chiefly methane, in your digextive tract, it displaces it's volume in the atmosphere, so even if you fart when you die, the fart was pretty much bouyant so the measured weight would remain the same. That's how helium and hot air balloons work. Let's try to avoid the obvious opportunities at humor here.
However I remain skeptical, that because the human soul is, and really only could be pure energy. Energy has no mass for the most part, but that has been refuted in scientific studies as well. However, the special theoiry of relativity refers to the massive gravitational pull of a star, and the bending of light. We are talking about an extreme, not one fart on a planet that pulls 1 G. To have any measurable weight, the energy would have to have mass.
Energy does have mass, that is almost proven, but it has very little. It is often immeasurable because it is so infinitesimal. So really, that fact, coupled with the fact that they were able to actually measure a loss of mass at the time of death of a human being would indicate a significant amount of energy.
When I had my death dream I was not afraid. This is partially due to the fact that I really believe that something comes after. I was patient. I figured well it might take a bit of time. Remember certain things, I am not a Christian, I belive in nothing and don't even understand what it means to believe IN something. I either believe it or I don't. To me, beliving in something is illogical, it almost specifically means believing something which cannot be proven, is far fetched and is not something that makes any sense.
Even my death dream had no effect on my beliefs, even at the time. I had no notion of calling upon God nor any other deity, Odin or what have you. Nothing of the sort. I doubt that I could explain it fully.
Time stopped. If this is all there is then oh well. It was contentment in a way, not that I am totally content with the path my life has taken, but it was then over. I was content not to have to struggle anymore, fight anymore, anything. I would never even have to take a shit again, get it ? My thoughts were free to roam and explore, yet I did not do that. I just stayed, mentally, where I was at. Dead and nothing more. Happiness and sadness at the same time, victory and defeat. I'm just there and that is it. I did not have my life flash befor my eyes, nothing of the sort.
In a way maybe that was the deepest subspace.
It is so hard to describe really. Everything was gone. No remorse, no joy, no nothing. Absolute nothingness. I don't just mean that you see nothingness, I mean you feel nothingness. No God nor devil, no thoughts of family or even the closest of friends, no thinking of the plans that were dashed by my demise, nothing of the sort.
I don't even know if it was a death dream. It's possible that my mind was readt for a hard reset. Those of you who know electronics might understand a hard reset. On various types of equipment there may be a reset button. The button just returns all registers to zero or some other default value, then when reset is accomplished, whatever data the device uses to operate is reloaded. Personal settings are still there, and everything else, but the brain needed a break.
So I don't really know, my death dream might not have been real. Maybe my brain needed a break, while they have made great strides in understanding the workings of the human brain, they still can't tell you exactly how it works. It is more complex than the most advanced of processors Man has ever invented to this day. A processor, like your Pentium or whatever you have was made by Man. To be sure, it is so complex that no one Man understands it completely, but a group of Men (and Women most likely) actually do.
Yet with all this complexity, they still have yet to get a processor to think like a human being. Granted they are getting closer by the decade, between heuristic reasoning and some fuzzy logic they are getting there, but they are not there yet.
Have you heard about the law of diminishing returns ? Cut a stick of butter in half, then cut half in half and so forth. Well when they start this type of thing, it gets to the point where we endevor to design ourself.
Think about it, we design artificial intelligence, but think again, is it really artifical ? If it walks like a duck and so forth.......
Even the most rudimentary inytelligence in a machine is a fantastic accomplishment, but being born into an age when it was accomplished we don't really think that much of it. We take lightly putting a Man on the Moon, but find someone who has been frozen in ice or somehow in suspended animation since like a hundred years ago and show him all this.
The problem is that all we have managed to do in the last thirty years oir so is to wreck the place. Before that we were wrecking the placew but at least a few good things were going on. We had industry, people had jobs, the ecomony was doing well because people had disposable income. We used TAX money to put that Man on the Moon and it didn't hurt us. We were proud to do it and show our ass to the world. What the fuck happened to my country ?
I am sorry this post is so long, but I think these things need to be said. The greatness we achieved in the past can be attained again. What it took did not come from nowhere, it came from the hard work and dedication of the many to make it happen. You could say it came from the heart and soul of us commoners, who were dedicated to creating true wealth, back when people understood such things.
This is the world I grew up in, I watched the original moonshot live on TV. Actually the one that worked, remember previously the some astronauts died, burned to death before that. That didn't scare us. We went on with it. But that wasn't war for profit, that was advancing the human race. We can now travel in space.
But all we can do is wreck the place. I really do think the reason I am so willing to accept deth when it comes is because I see how the world has changed. It is like everything is fake now. Nothing is real. Some say the moon landing wasn'r real but screw that subject for now. To those people I say this - alot of people had telescopes back then, if you walked into a Sears usually telescopes would be the first thing you see. Remember ?
I don't care now because right now it has no bearing on the state of afairs of my life or the situation in this world. So I came up in a world where all this is happening, and now I see nothing. Oh yeah a few probes, one that seems to have been working for alot longer than they expected. Wish they built cars like that. Oh ya, they used to.
I see all the bad in the world, and yes I do see some good, but the balance is way out of whack. That is why I guess, that I do not fear death. The Maker Of All Things has put me here, and during that time I am to gain wisdom and knowledge. For what purpose I do not know, but it is safe to assume that there is a purpose.
And that is that, knowing too much, getting out of the box has been hard to deal with, although I started young. Years ago I did get depressed and not only contemplated suicide, I actually hung me up a noose. It would've done the job for sure. Backed out, and with current events I will jokingly say, WHY ?
No matter what that dream was trying to tell me, the way I see it is like I am sentenced to live so many years here. It's like life is a school, as we mature we get new data and we also keep processing the old data. Together they can help one understand it all a bit better.
But what are we being schooled for ?
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