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What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 8:28:27 AM   
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I look to this crowd of supposedly intelligent open minded people and what do I see ? Three off color (pun I guess) jokes that are going to get pulled from the hunor section before sundown, and some bashing. Then some hailing this election as some sort of milestone, like it was the end of slavery or something.

Very base, very beneath us, really. Planet of the apes indeed. What ape went to college ? What ape got into the US senate ? First of all it's alot harder to get into the senate than to be a congressman, even Ron Paul never made it into the senate. Just by the numbers it is 4.35 times harder to get elected senator. 

Those of you who hate Obama because of his bloodline, go fuck yourself. Those of you who hate Obama because you can't stand democrats, their policies and ideals which are largely socialist, I am right there with you. However we could simply not have four more years of the same shit and the people could finally see that. Do you understand what the neocon policies have cost this country ? Do you realize how much they have stolen from us ? Do you realize how rough life can be in the US, where I believe that illegal immigration is going to cure itself because soon people will not want to come here ?

When gas was four bucks a gallon, who do you think got that money. The neocons counted on people having a short memory, they bet and they lost, and I am glad. There is nothing Obama could do to screw things up worse than they are now.

I reiterate, I never liked the democrats, I don't like their ideas or ideals, I don't like their attitude, I just don't. In my view they are very far removed from the ideals of the founding fathers of this nation. I have always said that and I am not going to stop now. This leopard did not change his spots, but the fact still remains, things have changed.

It's like the neocons, and I REFUSE to call them republicans, have been hitting us in the head with a hammer in the same spot for the last eight years. Now at least the democrats will pick another spot.

The last thing I remember from all the ads was one sponsored by the Jewish Republican something or other. They derided Obama for being willing to talk with leaders of not so friendly nations, like Venezuela, Iran etc. Shame on them. If they are willing to come to the table and we are not, what are we ?

That's the thing though, I really think we were manipulated into electing Obama. The republican ads toward the end I believe actually hurt them. Everything they said was devoid of substance. That Obama has no experience. Well what experience does McCain have ? And he would just refuse to talk to our supposed (or created) enemies ? Some diplomacy. Without diplomacy there will be war, kapeesh ? War is expensive and we really are out of money, and have been for a long time. It's time to start paying the bills.

Mr. Obama, if by some crazy stretch of the imagination you ever read this, you are pretty much as on top of the world right now. You don't get much higher than that. If the stories about you growing up poor were not a bunch of bullshit, remember those times in the coming four years. There are millions upon millions struggling to make ends meet. You don't owe us anything, just please take less. The oil people are probably going to punish us now, and I should start a pool on just how high it will go.

People, watch those gas pumps, you think I am kidding but I am not. We have successfully removed a neocon from the whitehouse, but they are still here, in the oil business. They are still here charging GIs $100 a week to do their laundry. They are still here. Obama has gotten to the point where actually one Man can make a difference. I will be waiting somewhat patiently.

All the investors and the people who screwed them are all still here. The world has not magically transformed into the land of milk and honey, far from it. We need a new fresh Atty Gen and staff who have very sharp teeth, because there is one axiom I learned from a partial life of crime, when there is money missing, someone took it. Of that there is no doubt.

When there is money missing, and all of the sudden certain people have alot more money than they had, who is the prime suspect ?

I didn't vote for Obama because of his bloodline, his views or anything of the sort. It was simply to keep McCain out, who thinks that everything was just fine. Well it is just fine for him. Practically unlimited money, the power of a senate seat, he has no reason to go crying home to Mommy. He will be fine and still sits in a big chair, just not the biggest chair.

Another thing I will mention, mainly to tell how adamant I was about getting the neocons out. I firmly believe that because this country was founded by White Men, that they would be best at furthering the values and ideals of this country. This seemed logical, but reality is upon us and looking at what happened in the last eight years I find no White Men. McCain is not, Hillary is not, Ron Paul is not although he comes close. Face it, he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

People depend on the government now, and that is wrong. I don't believe there should be welfare unless the recipient has worked and paid taxes. I don't think people should be able to get social security unless they paid into it. I don't want anything, all I want is for them to take less.

For example a long time ago I worked on commission, and I got bumped up from 40% to 50% of the technical labor charge on any given invoice. That was a 20% increase for me, but only a 12% decrease for my employer. Kapeesh ? Just take less, you fuckers have almost all of it as it is, so yes, think about us for the next four years.

I know Black people, and sometimes they say "Give a nigga a chance", and the words nigga and nigger have been explained to me. There is a big difference. What they call themselves and each other differs from the N word, and it is sort of a joke. I'm driving Malcom home and we are talking about this, he is cool. "You think we are calling each other that but we aren't".

But when they say give a nigga a chance, what does that mean ? Let's not read between the lines, let's read the lines. It is a declaration - I think I can do this, I think I can succeed, I think I can do well. What in the hell is wrong with that ?

Realistically, the President only has so much power. I am not sure what people were visualising about what would happen with four years with Obama as President, as if the President is some kind of dictator or something. He can't do all he promised, of that there is no doubt. Between now and January he will be briefed about the state of affairs, and will then know alot of things he did not know on the campaign trail. Thing is, it will be Obama who will be informed of these things, not McCain. He will know that he can't fulfill all his "promises", so what's new.

Did people think that all White cops will be fired and all of them will be Black now or some stupid shit like that ? It just ain't happening that way. What, only Black people get the good jobs now and whitey will starve to death ? That is not going to happen, the President, even with such perverted intentions cannot do that by any means.

Even the extreme priveledge of executive order he can't do that, because if any President tried they would be carted off for psychiactric examination. People saw race. I did not. I saw change. When Clinton was President I was like "Please keep Hillary in a box" because her ideas and ideals are really socialistic. All Bill cared about was a piece of ass, and he turned out, as Presidents go, to be not so bad. Not that he was all that good, but not so bad.

Live with it people, we have crossed the line so to speak. Dewey did not win. I think that Obama might be able to see the crunch this financial mess puts on the common Man, or Woman for that matter. I know that there will be no miracles, but I hope the plight of the commoner is at least considered, it may or may not, but with McCain I am sure it would not.

If McCain won, I would suck it up and live my life. I would not post planet of the apes jokes like a certain member has, speaking of which I should run a pool about how long it takes for those supposed jokes to be removed. I give it four hours and twelve minutes. Really I could think up better jokes than that if I put my mind to it. Oh yeah, the watermelon subsidy, tax breaks for Open Pit BBQ sauce, I could probably create some real humor, but this guy fell flat on his face. Realistically, if I know CM, you will never see those supposed jokes. And I, a self proclaimed racist, will tell you now that I didn't appreciate them at all.

Thing is, I am not the kind of racist people think and that has been discussed. Someday a word will be invented for people like me. My desire is to have my clan and self procreate, if they we are going to, with like members of the human race. If my Aunt had walked in with a Ukranian boyfriend my Grandfather would have thrown her out of the house. It is not skin color. My racism does determine my wants and desires, but not out in the real world.

In the real world, you know the big one out there, we are the human race. Skin color means nothing, now more than ever. We have plenty of white skinned neandrethals with attitudes. Meantime we have Black doctors and engineers, and now a President. If you think you are superior because of white skin, get to be President and then we'll talk. Until then, shutup. The guy made it, get over it.

This is probably one of the better things to happen in a long time actually. For some it may be a milestone, I don't see it that way, in fact what I see is that those who think it is so great of a thing are just as racist as the joker, the ol planet of the apes man.

Give it a chance, because what we were doing is not working.

That's my opinion.

T
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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 8:33:36 AM   
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What ape got into the US senate ?


None so far but Al Fraken may still get in.

For me the first litmus test will be the so called "Fairness Doctrine."  It has one purpose and one purpose only - to squelch free speech.

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 8:53:43 AM   
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I don't like politicians.  Regardless of which side they ran on.  I don't trust any of them, I don't believe that any of them are actually capable of honesty in the long term.  I could give a flying rat's fart whether they're black, white, or polka dot - I don't trust politicians.
 
While I wasn't surprised by yesterday's results - and even less surprsied by the fact that we here in Oklahohum only had 2 choices, repugnican and democrap, as I expected - I was disappointed by the results.
 
I found it difficult to make myself cast a vote for the presidential race, despising both candidates as I did (and still do.)  The rest of the questions on my state's ballot were actually fairly easy for me to make a decision on -  against all incumbants regardless of party, against all tax increases and spending increases, in favor of the couple of questions that would allow certain tax exemptions on home and personal property taxes in very specific instances, voted to retain the judges that were up because I actually feel that they've done a fairly decent job.  I was still there for almost 30 minutes, simply staring at the pair of (what I considered) bad choices for president, silently cursing the fact that my state had managed to keep anyone except those 2 off the presidential ballot.  I firmly believe that had a 3rd choice been offered, Oklahoma's electoral votes would have gone to that candidate by popular demand.  In the end I cast my ballot - then came home and fought not to be physically ill most of the evening.
 
The p-elect was not the person I would have prefered.  But then, the person I would have prefered wasn't on the ballot in many states, including my own.  While I will continue to show the Office the respect that I feel it deserves - when it deserves any at all - the person is not the office and never has been.   Will I back the person who will next hold the office - I don't know.  I'll have to wait and see what sort of job he does, before I can honestly say whether I will or won't.
 
What makes me sit back and chuckle about this election though is thinking about my grandmother.  Die hard democrap, she'd rather die and rot in hell than vote for a republican.  She faced quite a delima this year, since she also feels that way about voting for someone who is (or even looks) black - she's a true racist.  So...... vote for the republican that you'd rather die than vote for, or vote for the black that you'd rather die than vote for.  Wonder if I'm gonna get a call sometime later this week that she croaked from the stress of making such a decision?

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 8:54:13 AM   
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Huh ? You know how this government supposedly works ? Was the fairness doctrine an executive order ?

I remind you that we have not changed out the other 534 assholes in government, and normally the President needs a bill in front of him to sign or veto.

To be realistic, I don't see much change coming, there is only so much a President can do. Just like I said about Ron paul who would make a great President even though we are diametrically opposed about abortion. He can't just make it illegal by the stroke of a pen.

Those of you who think we are now going to hell in a handbasket, fret not. If Bush 2 couldn't do it, nobody can. W ran so many businesses into the ground it is not funny, only when the oil people supported him did he "succeed". He did alot to destroy this country, but we are not yet on our knees. He was very proficient at it as well.

I think if Obama can just balance a checkbook we will be better off.

I find that attitude lurking when people post or talk, whatever. They think we are electing a dictator, and he can nullify laws previously passed and create new ones out of thin air without going through the system of checks and balances installed by the founding Fathers. It just ain't happening.

I will admit that the President has a pretty extreme power in being able to issue executive orders, but what few people realize is that those executive orders do not really apply to most of us. They apply to govt. employees, the military etc., and those who actually reside on government land, which is defined as military bases and other installations and ten square miles around the capitol. While they do affect us, it's not quite the dictatorship Bush wanted.

T

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 9:02:03 AM   
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Term, a senator  is a congressman.  The congress is made up of the house of representatives and the senate.  Both senators and representatives are congressmen.
You are right about people's misconceptions of presidential power. 

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 9:23:57 AM   
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For me the first litmus test will be the so called "Fairness Doctrine."  It has one purpose and one purpose only - to squelch free speech.


...i've been debtaing this point with Sanity (let's move the goalposts) a lot...now Marc, you're a much more serious thinker, can you tell me why you are opposed to the Fairness Doctrine?

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 9:31:27 AM   
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Term,

I absolutely LOVE your posts. Dont change one bit.

Over night tho, 1 billion people went from an attitude of 9-11 fear,  despondancy,  to one of hope and possibility.

So what is human capital worth?

Electing Obama did not end slavery or racism.  It did tho announce that the educated, gentleman can have chances and all does not have to be loss.

So if 1 billion people now have the freedom to dream, what could happen?

Voting Obama was THE way to end, or turn the page on the bush era.

He now has political capital.

The Grant park event looked incredible.

As currupt as folks are from Chicago the city does get things done.  The joke there per the mayor going to Washington, is why would he want to take a step down. lol.


For the people that have a positive attitude. GREAT.  For those who want him to be the great Satan, weep.  Ya probably should have voted. (gags)

I do hope tho- that we reverse course on where we are heading, because we are heading to massive pain, if we dont. 

This vote was a referendum on bush.  Mccain even began to take on the bush "duh".    But now the most liberal creature that ever walked on the planet- is king and ruler.    Hes coming for your guns and to spread your weatlth around. not good bless america, god dam america.  ayers weather underground, the limo ride with drugs and gay sex, larry sinclair, the mysterious death of the church chior boy.

meanwhile,  fox and rush will now have very tuned in viewers.  so their profit is secure.

and as Hillary brilliantly said, the sky will open up.  

I submit, that last night, in Grant Park, the sky indeed opened up!

Praise the lord and god help up.

Im still glad I voted Ron Paul. He will be too old next  time.
I have to say I am perplexed the cons did not steal the election.

Ill be over in 10 minutes to take your guns..... and to spread the wealth.      

It is a new day in America!     THANK GOD!  


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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 9:34:54 AM   
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Huh ? You know how this government supposedly… etc.


You are presuming way too much.  When did I ever say or even imply that the Fairness Doctrine was an Executive Order?  The Democratic Party will now have control over both the Congress and the White House.  The only check to their power that appears to remain is that the Republicans can still filibuster in the Senate.  The Fairness Doctrine will be re-introduced sooner or later – it’s purpose being to shut down Conservative talk radio and Rush Limbaugh in particular (I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if you do not respect the rights of others then you have no basis upon which to assert your own).  I hope it doesn’t pass but if it does, the question then becomes: will President Obama veto it or sign it?  If he vetos it then he is a friend of Freedom.  If he signs it then he is not.

I do not think we are electing a dictator (nor do I think President Bush is a dictator – if he was, Obama would be under arrest right now and the military would be breaking up all the pro-Obama celebrations).  I am, however, leery of power, particularly concentrated power.

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 9:36:47 AM   
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...i've been debtaing this point with Sanity (let's move the goalposts) a lot...now Marc, you're a much more serious thinker, can you tell me why you are opposed to the Fairness Doctrine?


I will, but right now I've got to go to work.  Se ya later.

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 9:55:55 AM   
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quote:

...i've been debtaing this point with Sanity (let's move the goalposts) a lot...now Marc, you're a much more serious thinker, can you tell me why you are opposed to the Fairness Doctrine?


I will, but right now I've got to go to work.  Se ya later.


...fair enough, have a good day at work

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 11:38:22 AM   
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Marc, I never said the fairness doctrine was an EO. Actually as policy of the FCC I am not quite sure what it was. It really doesn't matter anyway, these days. Boils down to selling airtime to the demicans for three million dollars you must sell equal airtime to the republicrats for the same amount. It means niothing to us peons.

With that out of the way hopefully, hunky, sorry Ron Paul didn't win. Life is a gamble, and if you bet that the Earth is going to collide with the sun at noon tomorrow, it doesn't matter how high of payoff you get. You don't get it. Your candidate, who would be mine as well, did not win. At least you didn't hurt the situation by voting McCain, like my Uncle did. If he wasn't so old I would consider killing him, the fucker.

And like him, I was a very staunch republican in the past, but reality was upon us. It took alot, but the game has been played and we got our nigga in without your help. At least you didn't hurt. Actually I wonder just how many votes Paul actually did take from McCain, maybe he served a purpose by just being there. Let me put it this way, when my Father decides to vote democrat, that means something. That means alot. And for Obama, shit, he still uses the real N word ! In private company of course. I mean you just don't realize how far he swung in this. And it was, like for me, no love for the democrats, it was that this country simply cannot afford to stay on the neocon path. It is a matter of reality. It is also a matter of if they had privatized social security his check would not be right. He worked for that, and he says he is getting close to getting it all back now that he is almost seventy. What if they had privatized social security ?

Yes, I would say that I am still a republican, but the thing is that there are very few republicans in government, all I see is thieves. These people have no idea of the republican philosophy or anything, they are just there for personal gain. If you think that I think the democrats are much better you are incorrect. It was just time to stir the pot, it really was.

Let's see what comes to the top.

T

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 5:47:55 PM   
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Why I am against the Fairness Doctrine.  The Fairness Doctrine mandates equal time for opposing views.  Sounds good.  Who could be against that?  Exposing people to more diverse views must be a good thing, right?  The problem is that, like much legislation, the intent and the effects are two different things (or, unfortunately, the stated intent and the real intent are two different things). 

The primary purpose of a radio station (like any business) is to make money.  They do this by playing programs that people want to hear.  The more listeners they draw in the more they can charge advertisers.  On AM radio (in the United States) conservative talk programs have reigned.  Rush Limbaugh is the biggest example but Sean Hannity, Laura Ingrahm, Bill O’Reilly (although he may dispute that he is a conservative) and others all have very successful shows.  That’s just the national scene.  I can’t speak for the whole country but in my locality the conservatives also dominate the local shows.  Liberals have had a more difficult time.  The market place has ruled.

Under the Fairness Doctrine, the stations that air conservative programs will have to provide an equal amount of time to liberal views.  Since the liberal views are not pulling in the listeners (and hence: the advertising dollars) this means airing any political programs becomes a money looser.  The money you earn airing conservative talk shows is canceled out by the money lost airing liberal viewpoints that the radio listeners don’t want to listen to (and I’m sure there are some local liberal programs for which the situation would be the reverse).  Thus it becomes time for a change of programming.  It is easier (and more profitable) to avoid political discussion altogether.  The result is that there is less political discussion – and fewer political viewpoints – on the air.  This was the situation when the Fairness Doctrine held sway before.

When the Fairness Doctrine was repealed, the modern era of political talk radio was born since it was now profitable to air such shows.  Because those shows are overwhelmingly conservative, this has pissed some people off.  They want to bring back the Fairness Doctrine supposedly to “balance the viewpoints,” but more likely to simply drive conservative talk radio off the air.  In short, it is being used to simply squelch free speech because some people don’t like the speech that is being aired.  That, to me is why the Fairness Doctrine is bad.  If the situation was reversed and liberals dominated talk radio and conservative wanted to re-instate the Fairness Doctrine (as some of them suddenly would, no doubt) I would still be against it.  The freedom to speak is not the right to be heard – and nobody has the right to demand that others carry their message for them.

If you still have doubts that the Fairness Doctrine is really fair, consider this.  Why don’t we hear calls to apply it to other forms of media?  Shouldn’t newspapers, magazines, and television channels be forced to offer opposing views?  For every hour of Larry King CNN airs shouldn’t they be forced to air an hour of Sean Hannity?  What about the internet?  Should the owners of the Collarme Website be forced to offer equal time to Christian fundamentalists so they can offer balance by informing us that we are all perverted, Hell bound, sinners?

Some would argue that radio is different from other forms of media because there are a limited number of airwaves.  This is a nonsensical argument.  The airwaves do not exist in a special realm all to themselves.  They are just one means of communication amongst a vast array for people to choose from.  The rules of the marketplace apply to them as much as any other media.  The question is: do we really want government substituting its judgment for that of individual choice?  Certainly there are some areas of life where the government has a legitimate role in substituting it's judgement over individual choice.  Freedom of speech is not one of them.        

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 5:59:42 PM   
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We used to have it.  Can you bring up examples of it being a disaster back then?

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 6:00:45 PM   
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but the total "Paul effect" was apparently less than 50,000 votes nationwide.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article5410.html     crash and burn --- hmm

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 6:20:05 PM   
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Hunky?

Um… I didn’t vote for Ron Paul.  I voted for McCain because I considered him a little less scary than Obama.  I do not trust that man when it comes to taxes.  You’ll get no argument from me that the Republican Party stopped acting like Republicans years ago.  As I see it, both parties have been moving to the extremes – not a good thing.  What worries me most, however, is any form of concentrated power.  The Democrats now have a near (not total, but near) lock on power in Washington.  Will they respect the rights of those who disagree with them or will they give in to temptation and abuse their power?  That’s why I said that the Fairness Doctrine will be a litmus test for me.  Its stated purpose is to provide a balance of viewpoints but, as I see it, its real purpose is to drive conservative talk radio off the air.  Time will tell.     

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 6:59:55 PM   
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Nice Marc, your intellect seems to rivalmne and if you knew me, you would know that is saying something. One day we might meet, and if we both think on our feet, we will have a very interesting argument to say the least. Those are good points.

I believe that we are going to have to abandon certain things we would call values for this society to proceed. You have expressed one of the main reasons for that. There has to be a balance. A media outlet is pretty much a private enterprise, and if I owned one I would not like to be told what I must do. On the other hand the media does play a very critical role in moulding peoples' opinions. Where is the proper balance ?

I remember a bar/restaurant that only served fish on Fridays. They explained that they were Catholic and that is what they do, and I believe they were totally within their rights to do so, but if I wanted a Tbone steak I would have to go elsewhere. Their fish was very good by the way.

However the point is, how much public control of private enterprise is correct. Forget freedom and all that, let's just get down to what works. This is really a serious issue, because something like the fairness doctrine can be applied elsewhere. If I own say a TV shop and decide that I am going to a printer and printuing up several thousand flyers with a political message, do I have to spend the same amount to print and distribute an equal number of those containing the opposing viewpoint ? That would be ludicrous for sure.

But then a TV or radio station, or a major newspaper is a bit different. As is a public utility in a way. What do we want from them, and what can we expect from them ? First of all it is human nature to want to expose one's viewpoint or opinion. At the very least we don't want to squelch that, but what about the opposition ?

As much as I hate to think like this, reality pops up again. I can't just start a TV station tomorrow. I have resources but nothing like that. So what of my opinion ? And even compelled by law to transmit or otherwise disseminate opinions that are contrary to mine, if they can prove I didn't do it as well, and used due dilligence, would they have to put me in jail or fine me ?

What if I owned such a media outlet and put people on to express views that followed my own, say right after the afternoon news, and then caving in to the demand for equal time put the opposing viewpoint on at three in the morning ? Actually back when I watched TV, some of the most interesting things were on very late. I now wonder if they were scheduled at those times for a reason. Does anyone remember Joel Rose ? Does anyone remember anything after the Tonight show ?

The media has awesome powers to shape public opinion, oil companies can affect our well being in many ways, utility companies share a similar power. All they have to do is raise their rates to the point where we can't afford it and we are up the creek without a paddle. Actually in most places the utility companies are heavily regulated, and for good reason. They are a monopoly. Well major media is also a monopoly. There needs to be some control, but what exact form that should take is yet to be considered.

One of Colin Powell's sons I think, one Mike Powell, as chair of the FCC has brought in more deregulation which allows more consolidation of the ownership of the media outlets in this country. I don't want to discuss who he is working for but will say this, it certainly isn't us.

There was a time in this country when no one entity was allowed to own more than one TV or radio station in any given market. There was a time when Cleveland, Ohio had two major newspapers, and there were legal problems with the Plain Dealer buying the Cleveland Press. They promised that they would not shut down the Cleveland Press, but as soon as they bought it it was the first thing they did. Should this be allowed ?

Television channels 19 and 43 here are owned by thew same entity, in fact their news is called the 19/43 news. That used to be illegal. Is that right, or fair ? But the owners of the company that owns both is fully within their rights do do what they did under current law.

More later, company.

T

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 7:02:35 PM   
Musicmystery


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quote:

The Democrats now have a near (not total, but near) lock on power in Washington.  Will they respect the rights of those who disagree with them or will they give in to temptation and abuse their power? 


Did you worry about this when the Pubs held it for six years?

What's been happening for the past few years is a reaction to that---and obviously people know that.

Pelosi is stressing the importance of governing from the center. Of course, the Pubs could choose to be obstructionist. We'll see.

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 7:42:21 PM   
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Yes, I am worried about this liberal. His socialism may have us send $trillion to wall street and before he's done, another $trillion or so to the big banks and the rest of the insurance 'giants.'

This liberal my redistribute more of our money to the investor class, you know kinda...sharing the wealth.

This liberal might get federal law to allow his cronies to spy on me and my communications, email and even come into my house without a warrant.

This liberal may fire US attorneys for not going after voter fraud that isn't there oh and a few repubs while they are there.

Do the masses really even know when they see 'socialism' or fascism, corrupt, crony capitalism let alone...liberalism or conservatism anymore ? I don't think so.

Historically, half the masses haven't even cared enough to vote...feeling and not without cause, it will make no difference.

Not in a generation or more have people had the feeling that this time...things will be different. I like Obama but I doubt it...they won't let him.

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/5/2008 11:18:05 PM   
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MrR, you forgot to put in the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] there, because you surely know all these things have come to pass.

T

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RE: What is the big deal ? - 11/6/2008 5:14:49 AM   
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At this point of my life,  voting for the lessor of 2 evils was not acceptable.

As usual I split my ticket.  Oh- talk radio was around in the 70s.  Anyhow- the very strong arm no check and balance mode that bush used, now will be used by king obama.

I sorta dont care. Im glad we can be positive instead of being afraid all the time.  Hopefully some normalcy will return.  

Surely the mandate now is to turn the page on the neocon era, if only for the moment.  Had the GOP put up McCain in 04, things might have been different.

If anyone misses the bush era- there are many of us  that will not miss the bush era, and relieved it is finally over.

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