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Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 7:48:37 AM   
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I love to give presents and plan things, especially for my Master...but in doing these things, i run into one problem....I become "Toppy"

First let me say, my Master is a wonderful effective Master, no bah humbug, but he has a control fetish for sure..

I learned from a very dear slave friend to ask permission to plan certain things or events before i actually do them. Pleasing is not always obedience.

For his birthday after being allowed to plan the evening, i ran and jumped on the bed beside him and said, commandingly, "open this!"
We had a short lesson of who is in control..smile...

In being a "toppy giver", i lose my place and want to run the show out of pure excitement and wanting to please my Master.

With the holiday season upon us, do any of you experience becoming a "toppy giver"?

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 11:21:37 AM   
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I think it's different, when excitement comes into play for holidays, birthdays, etc.
That's just loving your Master...not topping....in my opinion.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 11:31:14 AM   
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i agree just wanting to give a grate gift and being exited and active, it is not topping.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 11:44:32 AM   
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I agree completely with the other posts. I don't see the excitement of giving either of gifts or the special night you want to plan as being toppy. That's a trait I would welcome.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 12:06:20 PM   
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Thanks for all of the input...but when i get into these planning modes, my TELLING what to do starts entering in....

Master says it's my "business owner domme hat" ...I get into a chop-chop attitude, which is unbecoming as Master's slave.

For example, i have asked Master to allow me to plan out a fantasy scene that we both have... I do have his permission for this, but in the back of my mind, i have to remember, even though i am planning the scene and of who all is involved that when the actual scene takes place, my Master is in control.

Excitement brings out my Toppiness. This is not a complaint at all, just an observation of my actions...

Even if i have something very exciting to share with Sir verbally, i go so fast to stop and wait for Master's responses... speaking over my Sir.

Again, excitement begats Toppiness.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 12:51:18 PM   
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quote:

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Thanks for all of the input...but when i get into these planning modes, my TELLING what to do starts entering in....

Master says it's my "business owner domme hat" ...I get into a chop-chop attitude, which is unbecoming as Master's slave.

For example, i have asked Master to allow me to plan out a fantasy scene that we both have... I do have his permission for this, but in the back of my mind, i have to remember, even though i am planning the scene and of who all is involved that when the actual scene takes place, my Master is in control.

Excitement brings out my Toppiness. This is not a complaint at all, just an observation of my actions...

Even if i have something very exciting to share with Sir verbally, i go so fast to stop and wait for Master's responses... speaking over my Sir.

Again, excitement begats Toppiness.


In my opinion, this behavior would only be considered "topping" because of your relationship with your Master in this lifestyle. Wanting to give gifts and getting excited are normal human emotions, and speaking over your Sir is just considered "interrupting" in the vanilla world. While that may not be a behavior that is acceptable, I wouldn't consider it "topping".

I personally couldn't have a relationship where my sub could not naturally show his emotions. Of course there is a time and place for everything, but I don't need to have total control to that level.

Happy Holidays

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 1:05:27 PM   
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I personally couldn't have a relationship where my sub could not naturally show his emotions. Of course there is a time and place for everything, but I don't need to have total control to that level.


Oh please dont get me wrong, W/we have a wonderful exciting full of joy relationship. I am very free to show and express my thoughts and emotions; however, Master knows if he gives me an inch in control, I take a mile....

Thanks for all of the opinions.



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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 2:09:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willing2serve

I love to give presents and plan things, especially for my Master...but in doing these things, i run into one problem....I become "Toppy"

First let me say, my Master is a wonderful effective Master, no bah humbug, but he has a control fetish for sure..

I learned from a very dear slave friend to ask permission to plan certain things or events before i actually do them. Pleasing is not always obedience.

For his birthday after being allowed to plan the evening, i ran and jumped on the bed beside him and said, commandingly, "open this!"
We had a short lesson of who is in control..smile...

In being a "toppy giver", i lose my place and want to run the show out of pure excitement and wanting to please my Master.

With the holiday season upon us, do any of you experience becoming a "toppy giver"?

Respectfully,
BTs willing




Well, I too can be quite demanding when it comes to things like this.
And while I understand what everyone else has shared,
and my own Sir is generally pleased with the enthusiasm and
joyful glee I exhibit, and even some innocent naivete I think,
I personally am not comfortable giving "orders" to him!

And it's funny, he's very indulgent and probably wouldn't be upset with me at all
or even offer any reprimand or training in the face of such behavior on my part,
it would just make ME uncomfortable.

Enjoy your special times together,
and good luck with keeping your "bottom" up!


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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/18/2005 3:10:09 PM   
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Well, I too can be quite demanding when it comes to things like this.
And while I understand what everyone else has shared,
and my own Sir is generally pleased with the enthusiasm and
joyful glee I exhibit, and even some innocent naivete I think,
I personally am not comfortable giving "orders" to him!

And it's funny, he's very indulgent and probably wouldn't be upset with me at all
or even offer any reprimand or training in the face of such behavior on my part,
it would just make ME uncomfortable.




BINGO....you understand.....Thank you.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 3:44:20 AM   
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willing ... i think it comes down to basic mindfulness.

it doesn't sound like your Master wants you to tone down your enthusiasm. maybe you can find different wording in expressing it. for example ... instead of "open it" maybe you could say "are you ready to open it?" both can be said with equal excitement but the first is topping (according to your Master) and the second (in my opinion) is bottoming.

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 3:49:32 AM   
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I think your master is being a fool in my honest opinion.

Like saying 'open it'. Sign of happiness and joy and excitement.
Also if your in charge of events then its commensense that you would tell him what to do, after all he put you in charge of it, what can he expect.


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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 4:28:41 AM   
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Can i ask your sign, this sound like typical behavior of a few of them like Virgo but also a few others, the chop chop way of doing things. You might want to tone that down whit wearing symbols from a more calm sign or somthing like that if it is a problem to you.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 6:08:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willing2serve
In being a "toppy giver", i lose my place and want to run the show out of pure excitement and wanting to please my Master.

With the holiday season upon us, do any of you experience becoming a "toppy giver"?

Respectfully,
BTs willing

LOL nothing to do with the season, many submissives have dominant personalities, or can be quite pushy with how they serve.

Some of them find an outlet THROUGH actually topping others- known as being a service top. It can allow them to get their control desires out, but in a way that serves the other person as well.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 7:40:53 AM   
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Pleasing is not always obedience.


it is for this slave. Master's pleasure is paramount, and if He doesn't like suprises, then He sure as hell won't be getting any from this slave.

Master's unmentionable asked why He didn't have a stocking hanging from the mantle. this slave is very crafty and makes the stockings herself and as much as this slave would like to make one for Him, it ain't happenin'. Why? because His Christmas joy is not having or GETTING a stocking full of things, but GIVING by filling the stockings that are there full of things.

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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 11:16:34 AM   
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quote:

willing ... i think it comes down to basic mindfulness.

it doesn't sound like your Master wants you to tone down your enthusiasm. maybe you can find different wording in expressing it. for example ... instead of "open it" maybe you could say "are you ready to open it?" both can be said with equal excitement but the first is topping (according to your Master) and the second (in my opinion) is bottoming.

humbly,
sunshine


You are 100% correct....Master loves my enthusiasm and very much enjoys it.

I love the word you used "mindfulness" that is it exactly!!

Eureka...

Its all about "how" i say things with Master .....


I will keep "mindfulness" in mind!

Thank you
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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 11:25:19 AM   
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I think your master is being a fool in my honest opinion.

Like saying 'open it'. Sign of happiness and joy and excitement.
Also if your in charge of events then its commensense that you would tell him what to do, after all he put you in charge of it, what can he expect.



You do have a right to your opinion, but when your opinion is coming from my words only I cannot allow my Master to be called a fool quietly.

Perhaps my words didnt paint an absolute picture and that is my error. So, allow me set the record straight...

My Master and i have a very enjoyable full of life relationship. I am his slave. To be in charge of planning and doing is a treat. "How" i do it still must remain respectful and I need to be "mindful" of this instead of getting lost in the moment of pleasing my Master.

This wasnt a post to complain about my Master at all. This was specifially intended for someone who gets so wrapped up in the joy of giving, that you possibly overlook the submission in words and actions.

Respectfully,
BTs willing


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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 11:27:53 AM   
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Can i ask your sign, this sound like typical behavior of a few of them like Virgo but also a few others, the chop chop way of doing things.


I am a Pisces...I dont follow signs much...so if you can share your knowlege that would greatly be appreciated....

I know Pisces are creative..( i do that well)..smile

I also am PURE Sanguine...if you follow personality traits.


Thank you
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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 11:33:02 AM   
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LOL nothing to do with the season, many submissives have dominant personalities, or can be quite pushy with how they serve.


You know exactly what I am talking about!!! like the "being a pushy server" thought.....I had to laugh on that one.

I am a dominant-submissive...if you understand that, you know it has nothing to do with being a switch.

Great advice on acting out the dominant role....I do have a dominant vanilla life by being a business owner, among other things...and Sir and i are exploring my dominating traits in other areas of play.

Thank you for the smile.
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RE: Toppy Giver - 12/19/2005 11:39:21 AM   
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Pleasing is not always obedience.

it is for this slave. Master's pleasure is paramount, and if He doesn't like suprises, then He sure as hell won't be getting any from this slave.

Master's unmentionable asked why He didn't have a stocking hanging from the mantle. this slave is very crafty and makes the stockings herself and as much as this slave would like to make one for Him, it ain't happenin'. Why? because His Christmas joy is not having or GETTING a stocking full of things, but GIVING by filling the stockings that are there full of things.



I understand exactly what you are saying...

When i was referencing "pleasing is not always obedience" this was the analogy that i was given...

If Master asks for his feet to be rubbed and I move up to his back to give a massage, even though this feels great and is very pleasing to Sir, it's not obedience. He didnt give me permission to rub his back, I was instructed to rub his feet.

Thanks Beth for your input. I dont know if you remember me because I have been away from the forums for a long time, but I use to ask the opinion of you two about things before i met my Master. I've been with my Sir for a year now and grounded firmly in my service to him..

Respectfully
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