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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 6:48:09 AM   
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oh ok..one more time, i know just as much about Obama as you do.  that is why i did not vote for him! 



Ok.  I am coming into this thread late but this jumped out on me.
Bestbaby - how can you vote or not vote for anyone if you aren't fully aware of their policies, ethics etc?  How is not voting for someone you don't know about and instead voting for another, informed voting?  Doesn't that mean your vote is a wasted one?  If you didn't vote for McCain or Obama, then who was your choice and what was so cool about them for you, that you made the choice not to find out about others?
 
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 6:50:40 AM   
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Logic, with a soupcon of practicality.  Granted, no room for messianic delusion or obsession in the recipe, but it remains a veritable feast for the intellect.


You mean a "con soupe du jour", surely. Otherwise known as "Soupe du Jour au Con".

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 6:53:33 AM   
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Logic, with a soupcon of practicality.  Granted, no room for messianic delusion or obsession in the recipe, but it remains a veritable feast for the intellect.


You mean a "con soupe du jour", surely. Otherwise known as "Soupe du Jour au Con".


Or maybe he meant soupcon?

http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soupcon

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 6:54:09 AM   
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I think it's perhaps telling that all of a sudden since Obama won race has become a big issue.

I agree with Sundowner that race is less of a problem here in the United Kingdom than it appears to be in the United States.

I recently had this issue to deal with myself in the theatre. Last week I held a casting among professional actresses for a role in one of my plays 'Switch' and over 20 actresses turned up, one of whom was black. These women turned up to a pub and were given a copy of the play to read on the spot and then they had to give their interpretation. As the turn out was so good I decided to start a new production. Two of the actresses stood out by a mile and one of them was the black actress. I gave the role to the white actress and cast the black actress in the leading role in the second play. My only criteria was how they interpreted the play.

When I look at someone first and foremost I see a human being and a gender they're presenting themselves as and this is what I accept. Nothing else matters, nothing.

Okay, so PE Obama broke through a cultural stereotype but the way I see it he won the election on the strengths of his merits as a politician and his ability to inspire hope and confidence in enough people to elect him, much in the same way as Tony Blair did when he became the first Scottish PM in the UK.

These discussions on these boards appear to be focussing on racial integration between white and black people but let us not forget that many non-white people such as the black community and the Asian community still face prejudice and oppression from within their own communities and this too is something which takes years and even generations to overcome and to break down their own cultural stereotypes.

I can see this happening in London and for the first time young black people are increasingly rejecting the negative stereotypes and prejudices of their parents and the church and refusing to see race in terms of skin colour but in a more realistic perspective, i.e. that they are part one one race - the human race.


What stella said 



Obama is being made into the "black" President by the media and by his supporters. As much as I disagree a great deal about this man, he ran a great campaign with tremendous empathy towards the fears of the people.  McCain could never articulate his message with the independent voter as Barack was able to do.  Sarah Palin, in my view,did a much better job of articulating her politcal philosophy, notwithstanding the leash put on her by the campaign and the partisan attacks by the media.  While there is no question that some voted for or against Obama because of his race, they seem to be a small minority.  Most of our discussions here in the burbs of Philly centered around each candidates qualifications and if we thought their vision for America was our vision.  I think we are going to have to live through the next 70 days or so until he is inaugurated with the media still gloating over the liberal victory, still attacking Palin based on stupid internet blogs, and gloating in the defeat of Bush.  Like any victorious army, however, now it comes down to dividing the spoils and it's going to be interesting to see who gets what job..what appointment, what money, from the new administration.  Let the fun begin.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 6:56:47 AM   
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Again, read the entire comment in context. I'll wait. I live in a very blue part of New England and I heard several times people say that would not vote for a black man. Right in person. Live and in the flesh. Huh. Anway, as I wrote, clearly, in simple english, I am not directing that to all anti  Obama ones, just the ones that make constat thinly veiled racial remarks right here and dont have the balls to come right out and say it. So if it does not apply to you, then it simply doesn't.



Thanks for the clarification ... your OP didn't mention only those on CM who make 'thinly veiled racial remarks right here.'  Sounded more like you were making a  statement about the public in general.  Sad to hear that people have no problem saying to you that they won't vote for him b/c he's black. 

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 6:56:56 AM   
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Logic, with a soupcon of practicality.  Granted, no room for messianic delusion or obsession in the recipe, but it remains a veritable feast for the intellect.


You mean a "con soupe du jour", surely. Otherwise known as "Soupe du Jour au Con".


Or maybe he meant soupcon?

http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soupcon


Are you trying to teach me my native language  ? How do you think I came up with such a brilliant pun :-) ? Oh... and look up the word "con" in French. It might enlighten you.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:03:53 AM   
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No need to look it up hehe.  I was being snarky myself. :p

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:06:49 AM   
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Are you trying to teach me my native language ? How do you think I came up with such a brilliant pun :-) ? Oh... and look up the word "con" in French. It might enlighten you.

soupcon is from the Old French sospeçon, derived ultimately from the Latin suspicere.  Of itself it has no interconnection to either soup or idiots (Je parle un francais)


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:22:26 AM   
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Are you trying to teach me my native language ? How do you think I came up with such a brilliant pun :-) ? Oh... and look up the word "con" in French. It might enlighten you.

soupcon is from the Old French sospeçon, derived ultimately from the Latin suspicere.  Of itself it has no interconnection to either soup or idiots (Je parle un francais)



soup·çon, not 'soupcon' (which doesn't exist). See that little squiggle under the 'c'? The cédille (cedilla) is found only on the letter C. It changes a hard C sound ( like K) into a soft C sound (like S), e.g., garçon and... that unfortunate word you have now incorrectly spelt (as in the chiefly British past participle of 'spell' - I hope Merc is reading) TWICE. Repeat after me: soupçon.

See, if you write 'soupcon', it allows me to make a brilliant pun about 'soupe au con'. Get it, now? You shouldn't try to teach things you know little about. It only makes you look silly.



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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:29:48 AM   
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Several dictionaries do have an entry for "soupcon"...maybe because most people happen to realize that keyboards don't have a ç on them  (As well as the character, you know, not existing in the English alphabet).  So it seems silly that you're assuming he isn't aware of the actual mispelling and would go to such effort to "correct" him, when simple logic in context would make it obvious such correction is unnecessary.  So you shouldn't try to teach things that don't need to be taught.  It only makes you look silly.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:32:38 AM   
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not 'soupcon' (which doesn't exist).

"Soupcon" most assuredly does exist--in English.  If and when I elect to post in French, rest assured I shall use proper French words, grammar, and phrasing.


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:36:38 AM   
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What a ridiculous lie  . He didn't get the joke because he didn't know the correct spelling of the word. And neither did you. It's okay, we all make mistakes. It's telling when some people are so intellectually dishonest they can't even admit to this simple fact: "I had no clue, but now I do." Listen, and learn... It's useful, at times.


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:38:25 AM   
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Is there a french word for bitter, sore, election winner?  Le meow. 

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:38:29 AM   
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You seem to be making the mistake that we're speaking in English...a language that happens to not have the letter "ç" in it's alphabet.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:42:54 AM   
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What a ridiculous lie

Alas, kittin, English does not use diacritic marks.  Thus, the cedilla (which is used in French), is routinely and quite properly dropped when transliterating a word from French into English.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:45:51 AM   
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What a ridiculous lie

Alas, kittin, English does not use diacritic marks.  Thus, the cedilla (which is used in French), is routinely and quite properly dropped when transliterating a word from French into English.


Another example.  My mother's surname is Montaño.  When she signs it, she signs it Montaño.

When asked how it's spelled (or when typing it), it gets typed Montano.  Noone has yet accused me or her of ever mispelling her name for changing the ñ to n.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:46:28 AM   
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Look, dude... it's okay to not be an expert at something. But when you start arguing with an expert, it makes you look stupid. The fact is, neither you nor the other guy got the joke. It's quite okay: I don't get why you're arguing against facts quite so virulently. It's been fun :-) .



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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:47:53 AM   
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Is there a french word for bitter, sore, election winner?  Le meow. 


Mauvaise perdante  .

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:48:14 AM   
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You might wanna make sure that your facts are correct (seeing as you're the one who mistakenly claimed "soupcon" isn't a word) before claiming yourself an expert. ;)

Just a word of friendly advice. =)

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:50:15 AM   
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Look, dude... it's okay to not be an expert at something. But when you start arguing with an expert, it makes you look stupid. The fact is, neither you nor the other guy got the joke. It's quite okay: I don't get why you're arguing against facts quite so virulently. It's been fun :-) .




I've also used the word 'soupcon' all my life without adding diacritic marks.

KS you are often amusing and witty, this time however you've come across as just nasty over something really silly. I realize that some of the OT threads currently running are making your blood boil, perhaps that is what caused this exchange?


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