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LadyEllen -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:12:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
I cant think of a war that hasnt been about the taking of resources by one group from another and the resistance of that second group to such acquisitive aggression.


Except the Falkland’s war an island in the backend of nowhere I don't even know if they even have useful sheep to eat.
 
Except all the fighting that goes on in Africa, those people have nothing, they are fighting for ideology. They can collect the charity from the western governments without cutting off peoples limbs but they do it for ideology, hatred and to instil fear.



So the Argentines invading wasnt them seeking to acquire resources (land, fishing etc)?

The fighting in Africa is generally about control of resources too; the DRC at the moment for control of ore and gem mines, Sierra Leone about similar resources etc.

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Aneirin -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:15:11 PM)

What if, what if one day, the powerful request the lives of the common man to fight a war, we one day say NO, No, because we have had enough of fighting and dying for what ? Lets face it, most of us despise the way we are governed, not many I know have a good thing to say about our governers, if someone threatens our governers, who is to say the threateners might not be able to govern us better ? We are fed propaganda, distorted truths and downright lies, (invasion of Iraq proved this), are we such that we cannot see what is better for us, or do we still believe we have betters?



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:25:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
So the Argentines invading wasnt them seeking to acquire resources (land, fishing etc)?

Fishing rights?
How can we stop them from fishing there if they wanted to? It's not like having an Island there helps us impose fishing tariffs on them. I'm not sure there is a fisheries authority based on that island. As meatcleaver pointed out it was just about pride and making an example of them. Incidentally if there is oil there I doubt we knew about it then.
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The fighting in Africa is generally about control of resources too; the DRC at the moment for control of ore and gem mines, Sierra Leone about similar resources etc.

That is the exception to the rule most of what I hear about is the tribal hatred of one another, where one side is trying to eradicate the other. 



LadyEllen -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:25:53 PM)

The problem is that of ignorance A; 75% of the population in my estimation are pretty damned ignorant of the world, and of the fact that people are pretty much the same wherever you go with similar aspirations and fears et al. They can easily be manipulated into believing anything one might want and might have the power to make them believe, including ideas such as that being against "the righteous war" (even the non righteous war) is treasonous, cowardly, evidence of undermining the nation and so on.

The most experience most Brits have of a foreign country is their two weeks in the sun, where they live in a mini-Britain commercially engineered just for them. They view Germans as nazis, the French as effete pufters, the Italians as cowardly, the Spanish as lazy and so on - relying on WWII stereotypes to govern their understanding - what chance then of preventing them also believing that every Muslim is a terrorist? Not much, as we have seen. What chance then of preventing them believing any propaganda about any group or nation targetted for aggression and/or acquisition, when their nearest neighbours can be so easily brought into ill light without any reference point in reality by which to go?

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LadyEllen -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:30:11 PM)

Fishing, not fishing rights - when you invade somewhere you dont report to the local office for a permit for anything - thats kind of the point of it.

And as for Africa - tribal rivalries yes, but tribal rivalries over land and the control of it, just the same as in Europe for a long time.

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SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:34:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Fishing, not fishing rights - when you invade somewhere you dont report to the local office for a permit for anything - thats kind of the point of it.

Either way our fish supply wouldn't have been affected.[:D] This is the first time I've heard someone say the Falklands war was about fish.
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And as for Africa - tribal rivalries yes, but tribal rivalries over land and the control of it, just the same as in Europe for a long time.

I don't know that it's over land I see people with the same land they had before they just can't work it any longer because they have no hands. 



Aneirin -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:35:35 PM)

You are of course correct, roll on the next war. Unless those that see are given a voice where they may educate the masses, something I fear those in control will corrupt.

Perhaps it is we live to die in anothers search for wealth. A large population despite the squallor and in fighting is fuel for war. Perhaps even the squallor and resultant in fighting like rats in a trap is the design of those who want us to be the force of their ambitions.



LadyEllen -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 1:46:42 PM)

dear me - fish was an example of a resource the Argentines were after, not the only one. The land was more important without a doubt.

In Africa its a lot different to here; there may be a country but it is made up of many tribes who unlike us are not mixed up on the same land but occupy different areas that correspond to their ancient tribal lands. Theyre only together in one country because thats where we and the other Europeans drew the lines for our Empires.

They fight because they each claim the others' lands - they dont gain too much because theyre all roughly equally armed and prepared (machine guns take any imbalance out) - the real problem is that in the past they'd fight and conclude things and the loser would hand over whatever was required for peace; nowadays there is perpetual fighting and imperially educated brutality that adds to that.

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slvemike4u -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 3:18:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver




The falklands was a bout saving face. No one in Britain gave a fuck about them and Thatcher had decided to cut the last boat connection to the islands which sent the message we didn't give a fuck about them. Well, when the Argentinians invaded we did give a fuck because it was a slight to the national ego.

It was Europeans (particularly the Belgian King Leopald) who taught the Africans such brutal acts.
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Meat,I must say you are consistant,you never fail to amaze me.Is it your contention that African tribes lived in idylic peace with each other prior to European intervention.Did we(Europen civilization) somehow teach Africans the human condition,have you digested so much anti western propaganda that you accept faerie tales as fact.Please do yourself a favor and learn to look at all sides of an equation ,your tunnel vision and self loathing make the majority of your post's a joke.Warfare did not come to Africa as a gift from European Imperialists,rather it is a human condition and Africa is not immune to that most basic of human frailities...despite your propaganda not all the ills of the world were spread by white civilazations expansion.



Politesub53 -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 3:37:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

This is the first time I've heard someone say the Falklands war was about fish.



Cod was on our side though [:D]



Aneirin -> RE: Armistice Day (11/9/2008 3:47:35 PM)

Every  Falklander I have met, would rather be part of Argentina than Britain, given that Argentina is the country in the area.



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