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RE: Medvedev's speech and American morals - 11/10/2008 11:05:56 AM

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With the recent developments in this discussion I am wondering how much less of a problem this is for Russia. Seems to me that under Russian law they can just say "Well we will just take your company away". Not that it happened to my knowledge, and there may be some constraints, like if they were to simply nationalize YUKOS. Sometimes even if you have the power politically, if you can't control the money you can still lose.

I am not very well versed on the internal politics in Russia, I know they do make sense usually, but when it comes to who owns who, I am pretty much in the dark. I know who owns Bush, and who owns Obama will come clear in the fourth year. But I don't get to see these things in Russia.

I still think they have alot more sensible government than we. Not perfect, but what is ?

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RE: Medvedev's speech and American morals - 11/10/2008 11:12:56 AM

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Putin has the backing of the population for just nationalizing something because the perception is and the perception seems pretty much right, the western sympathizing capitalist oligarchs were just a bunch of criminals that stole the national wealth while ordinary Russians went hungry. Putin will always be a hero to ordinary Russians because he is seen as the one that put food back on the table and porotected the vulnerable from the capitalist theives. Whether that is correct or not, that is another story but that is the perception in Russia.

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RE: Medvedev's speech and American morals - 11/10/2008 11:18:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

With the recent developments in this discussion I am wondering how much less of a problem this is for Russia. Seems to me that under Russian law they can just say "Well we will just take your company away". Not that it happened to my knowledge, and there may be some constraints, like if they were to simply nationalize YUKOS. Sometimes even if you have the power politically, if you can't control the money you can still lose.

I am not very well versed on the internal politics in Russia, I know they do make sense usually, but when it comes to who owns who, I am pretty much in the dark. I know who owns Bush, and who owns Obama will come clear in the fourth year. But I don't get to see these things in Russia.

I still think they have alot more sensible government than we. Not perfect, but what is ?

T

You believe that Russia has a more "sensible government" than the U.S. Could you elaborate on that please.
You would rather have KGB running our government? You do understand that Putin is directing the restoration of the old Soviet Union...can put Europe on its knees with the turn of a valve, and is threatening its neighbors with the clear signal with its invasion of Georgia. Nice, sensible people. I don't know how old you are but I remember looking up at the sky thinking it could all be over in a second during the cold war...and I am getting that same itchy feeling these days..only we won't have Eisenhower or Reagan in the White House. The dark ages had its bubonic plague and we have the plague of radical islamic terrorism, made far more dangerous with a nuclear capable Iran. Adding a "sensible communist government in Russia to the "sensible communist government in a very strong China...we are in for tough times...and will face them alone I'm afraid with an important part of the citiznery asleep and complacent.

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RE: Medvedev's speech and American morals - 11/10/2008 4:15:58 PM

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cory, JFK made the first move in the first Cuban missile crisis. Bush made the first move in the second, upcoming Cuban missile crisis. Russia invades Georgia, but all the while watching us invade Iraq, when Iraq had clearly nothing to do with 9/11.

Georgia is near Russia, why don't we invade Cuba and Venezuela. Whatever reasons that might have to be manufactured, they are alot closer. Our government is a bunch of nuts. They sent the boys down to Venezuela and they failed, and if I am not mistaken they tried the same shit in Cuba. Why isn't this a priority when both of these countries would most likely ally themselves with Russia against us ? After what this govwernment has done to them, if I were they, I would seriously consider it. But then they might be sensible as well and just not want to stir the pot so much, now that it is obviously at a strong boil.

Look at the bigger picture, and you find that in many things we are not right, and as much as they like to think so, no amount of might makes right. They want to be exempt from international law, while imposing it on others, and if you are an oil producing country don't you dare switch over to euros. We will tellyou if you can have nukes, or even nuclear power for that matter. We dictate what the world shall do and we can borrow enough money to make it happen. We will use mercenaries and whoever it takes to get the job done. Our people might not benefit one iota, but dammit, you shall obey.

Everyone shall obey or perish.

Meantime, Russia did not fire the first shot when it comes to the Georgia situation. They haven't messed with Afghanistan for years. Actually they have been quite calm.

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