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A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 1:52:23 PM   
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I grow weary of people talking about race and it's play in this last election. Let's get down to nuts and bolts.

I saw Obama's "first" news conference or whatever you call it, and I was not impressed. He sounded more like a politician and less like,,,,,, Obama. I am not making snap judgements here, just reporting my observation. I really hope he does not fall into the same hole as the rest of them. It wasn't as bad as Bush, who I actually refused to listen to toward the end, but it still wasn't the same as when Obama was running and hadn't won yet.

Perhaps it was the tone of his voice, which makes me wonder just what he's been told now that he is PE. I surely hope it's not complacency and I am not making that charge in any way. Perhaps it was the questions that were asked, maybe some of those points are something he did not yet focus upon. I don't know.

He seemed more calm, but not more self assured. Perhaps it is merely my perception, but it seems pretty real. Perhaps it is just that he has relized the enourmity of the tasks before him. It almost seems like he was not as confident. That's not so bad because I'm sure he has been told things he did not know until AFTER winning the election. Like reality is upon him. Perhaps he just found out that there are a bunch of things he just can't do.

At least that's how it seems to me.

I wll do the usual, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Maybe I am more perceptive than most, maybe not, but I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. I am one of those people it is very hard to lie to, I can almost smell it in a face to face conversation, but this was not a face to face conversation. I downloaded a book called How To Get The Truth Out Of Anyone and when I read it I realized I already knew what it said. The problem is I was not alone in a room with the Man. It's a one way thing. Getting the truth is not difficult when you ask the questions. Getting the truth on a TV screen is quite another matter.

I will remain optimistic until I have reason not to be. Perhaps he is trying to say, via attitude, inflection and even body language that we simply can't expect the land of milk and honey overnight. I'll buy that. He could shake the tree by it's roots and I would not expect any significant positive results for at least a year.

One thing that doesn't please me is that he intends to go ahead with the missile plan in Europe, which is pretty much asking for another Cuban missile crisis. Hopefully it is just a bargaining chip for upcoming meetings with the Medvev/Putin administration. Even if he does it, just don't spend billions a month and don't push that button. However I say if you're never going to push the button, why have the missiles ? Perhaps Russia is thinking the same thing.

I hope Obama realizes that the other big kids on the block have been putting up with our antics and even supporting us during these times when we seemed hell bent on pissing everyone in the world off. In other words, I hope he knows how to use the word NO.

NO more. Get out of Iraq, Afghanistan can happen later, you remember what happened to Hitler when the Nazis fought a multi-fronted war. Their reach overextended their grasp. We are on the brink of something like this. Any warrior needs a rest period, and if you think of the US as an entity, we are due. We need to recoup, to rebuild the machine, to actually rest. To heal. Perhaps that's my tribal instinct talking, but it makes sense to me.

Yes I recognize what that is, like a mental throwback, but see it worked. My tribal instincts are that of a Polak hillbilly. Yup, like the Clampetts on Beverly Hillbillies, sans the money and we don't shoot quite as well. No way I could shoot flies off the wall at thirty feet, but we ain't bad.

So did anyone see what I saw ?

T
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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 2:09:53 PM   
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This is really a strange situation you have in the US with the whole President Elect phase but probably quite a good idea. In the UK the first day after the election is the first day in power there is no lead up period where the policies of one have to conform with those of another. I suppose it's slightly different though because those in opposition always know more or less as much about the economic and security matters facing the country as those actually in power.

Obama has said it's not going to get better soon, I think he has always known the extent of the economic problem. In this case even the man on the street knows the extent of the economic problem because figures are reported, people know what the national debt is, they know how the employment numbers are looking, they know what the trade gap is and the GDP. It’s never down to one person to turn things around it is going to take everyone at every level and some harsh sacrifices.

As I said before if people realise this he may be re-elected if not he is probably going to only last one term. Unchartered territory, sure we can compare it with similar points in history and how those were dealt with, but did we have this extent of globalisation back then?


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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 2:10:17 PM   
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What were you expecting from a news conference three days after the election?

He had just met with his economic team. Once. Were you thinking, "OK, that's solved, what's next?"

He did indicate where he's going broadly economically in the short run, showed us an impressive team, and went back to work.

Bringing peace to the world and curing all disease isn't on the agenda until Tuesday.

So Thursday or Friday at the latest, all that will be history.




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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 2:14:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I grow weary of people talking about race and it's play in this last election. Let's get down to nuts and bolts.

I saw Obama's "first" news conference or whatever you call it, and I was not impressed. He sounded more like a politician and less like,,,,,, Obama. I am not making snap judgements here, just reporting my observation. I really hope he does not fall into the same hole as the rest of them. It wasn't as bad as Bush, who I actually refused to listen to toward the end, but it still wasn't the same as when Obama was running and hadn't won yet.

Perhaps it was the tone of his voice, which makes me wonder just what he's been told now that he is PE. I surely hope it's not complacency and I am not making that charge in any way. Perhaps it was the questions that were asked, maybe some of those points are something he did not yet focus upon. I don't know.

He seemed more calm, but not more self assured. Perhaps it is merely my perception, but it seems pretty real. Perhaps it is just that he has relized the enourmity of the tasks before him. It almost seems like he was not as confident. That's not so bad because I'm sure he has been told things he did not know until AFTER winning the election. Like reality is upon him. Perhaps he just found out that there are a bunch of things he just can't do.

At least that's how it seems to me.

I wll do the usual, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Maybe I am more perceptive than most, maybe not, but I was wondering if anyone else noticed this. I am one of those people it is very hard to lie to, I can almost smell it in a face to face conversation, but this was not a face to face conversation. I downloaded a book called How To Get The Truth Out Of Anyone and when I read it I realized I already knew what it said. The problem is I was not alone in a room with the Man. It's a one way thing. Getting the truth is not difficult when you ask the questions. Getting the truth on a TV screen is quite another matter.

I will remain optimistic until I have reason not to be. Perhaps he is trying to say, via attitude, inflection and even body language that we simply can't expect the land of milk and honey overnight. I'll buy that. He could shake the tree by it's roots and I would not expect any significant positive results for at least a year.

One thing that doesn't please me is that he intends to go ahead with the missile plan in Europe, which is pretty much asking for another Cuban missile crisis. Hopefully it is just a bargaining chip for upcoming meetings with the Medvev/Putin administration. Even if he does it, just don't spend billions a month and don't push that button. However I say if you're never going to push the button, why have the missiles ? Perhaps Russia is thinking the same thing.

I hope Obama realizes that the other big kids on the block have been putting up with our antics and even supporting us during these times when we seemed hell bent on pissing everyone in the world off. In other words, I hope he knows how to use the word NO.

NO more. Get out of Iraq, Afghanistan can happen later, you remember what happened to Hitler when the Nazis fought a multi-fronted war. Their reach overextended their grasp. We are on the brink of something like this. Any warrior needs a rest period, and if you think of the US as an entity, we are due. We need to recoup, to rebuild the machine, to actually rest. To heal. Perhaps that's my tribal instinct talking, but it makes sense to me.

Yes I recognize what that is, like a mental throwback, but see it worked. My tribal instincts are that of a Polak hillbilly. Yup, like the Clampetts on Beverly Hillbillies, sans the money and we don't shoot quite as well. No way I could shoot flies off the wall at thirty feet, but we ain't bad.

So did anyone see what I saw ?

T


I did not see the news conference, but the solution is simple.

When he steps into office on January 20th, hold him and Congress accountable.
He has been hired to do a huge job, for the people. He is now responsible for managing that things run as smoothly and efficiently as possible.

I don't think we as, American citizens, are as active as we should be in the political process. That is why elected officials are able to sell us down the toilet and run riot on the Hill.



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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 2:17:09 PM   
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Well Term,in my eyes nothing happened in that press conference to make me rethink my decision to vote for the man.IMO America elected an exceptional man to a very difficult job at the best of times...and these are decidedly not the best of times.Whether it is my natural optimism,perhaps I am blinded by his undeniable charisma...whatever it is I for one am very happy and look forward to his administration.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 2:47:40 PM   
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I think he's got to be pretty much exhausted, physically and mentally.  He'd just won the presidency and had meetings and is building his team.  He'd just had briefings from the intelligence departments clueing him in on some brutal truths about what's going on in the world and what he has to deal with.  I think taking a week with the family and hiding away somewhere, quietly studying and discussing things, but being out of the public eye, would serve him very well.


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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 2:56:49 PM   
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quote:

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I think he's got to be pretty much exhausted, physically and mentally.  He'd just won the presidency and had meetings and is building his team.  He'd just had briefings from the intelligence departments clueing him in on some brutal truths about what's going on in the world and what he has to deal with.  I think taking a week with the family and hiding away somewhere, quietly studying and discussing things, but being out of the public eye, would serve him very well.


Actually not a bad idea MC,though I wonder were on earth this man could possibly hide not to mention the quite understandable desire of the American populace that will want him to attend to transition duties so as to hit the ground running on the 21st(I am assuming we will all allow him the 20th to attend all the balls and such).Letterman had a pretty good line the other night "Ladies and gentleman,Barack Obama is our new President.And I think I speak for most Americans when I say,anybody mind if he starts a little early?"

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 3:10:17 PM   
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hmmm..

His tone.. his exhausted demeanor..

He probably had been just briefed on a number of issues, he previously had not been fully informed on, dire issues of deep importance, foreign relations etc..
In today's tenuous global situation, could bring anybody "down a notch"




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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 3:21:17 PM   
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Not overly cynical by any chance?

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 4:18:30 PM   
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when i think back he is not the first PE to have that look on his face. 

we all know when we apply for a new job or promotion it looks so wonderful from the outside looking in.  i think what we saw was PE Obama now on the inside looking out.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 4:25:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I saw Obama's "first" news conference or whatever you call it, and I was not impressed. He sounded more like a politician and less like,,,,,, Obama. I am not making snap judgements here, just reporting my observation. I really hope he does not fall into the same hole as the rest of them. It wasn't as bad as Bush, who I actually refused to listen to toward the end, but it still wasn't the same as when Obama was running and hadn't won yet.

Perhaps it was the tone of his voice, which makes me wonder just what he's been told now that he is PE. I surely hope it's not complacency and I am not making that charge in any way. Perhaps it was the questions that were asked, maybe some of those points are something he did not yet focus upon. I don't know.

He seemed more calm, but not more self assured. Perhaps it is merely my perception, but it seems pretty real. Perhaps it is just that he has relized the enourmity of the tasks before him. It almost seems like he was not as confident. That's not so bad because I'm sure he has been told things he did not know until AFTER winning the election. Like reality is upon him. Perhaps he just found out that there are a bunch of things he just can't do.

<snip>

So did anyone see what I saw ?

T


From my perspective, it seemed like he had dropped the carefully sculpted mask for a moment. The presidency is not his goal, but the means to other goals. It is going to be very interesting to see where he goes from here.

He is talking about massive bail outs right now, the top of the list being the auto industry. It seems that will be his vehicle for wealth redistribution to start with. That will have its own problems in the long run. How far will he run the deficit up in doing so? How will this effect the economy long term?

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 4:40:57 PM   
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"the means to other goals" pray tell what would those be.Once one has been President,what other goals are there.Please help me here what goals would you be referring to?

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 4:47:31 PM   
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I don't know, you will have to find out from him. But his body language has suggested it more than once. Even during his acceptance speech, it was in his body language. The only time he honestly smiled was when Michelle came out on stage to join him.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 4:57:30 PM   
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I don't know, you will have to find out from him. But his body language has suggested it more than once. Even during his acceptance speech, it was in his body language. The only time he honestly smiled was when Michelle came out on stage to join him.
Body language ....nice .There for a minute I thought you were reading tea leaves.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 5:04:08 PM   
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Not at all. I have some training in interrogation as well as behavior forensics. If you (or any one) is interested in such things, they can look up William Morrissette who does training, mostly for law enforcement.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 5:08:09 PM   
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Please don't tell me you actually hold a position in law enforcement....Just When I was feeling good about things.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 5:14:10 PM   
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Once again, critical thinking is not your strong point. Morrissette does training for more than law enforcement, though that is his primary focus.

My gig is more security than law enforcement, though I won't specify in a public forum.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 6:24:45 PM   
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I did not see it.

I have become less attached to politic items.... as we are so far into a collapse that he and his team,  anyone D or R in Washington can not fix it.

Where is the gold bullion to back up the trillion $ bail outs?   where is it?

It did not poof into the safe simply due to congress stroke of a pen.

We have 1 week to go before a drop in the markets, possibly significant.

Add it anyway you want... 1 + 1 = 2;  not 6.

His experts are as bad as bushes.

Quite frankly- I do not want government to solve any more problems.

7 days to go before a collapse (of sorts)( can you say precious metals?)

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 6:34:28 PM   
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I saw him at the acceptance and at the press conference.  Has anyone happened to think that he has been going at full tilt for a long time, his grandmother died, and he's getting information from all these places at a rate which is like taking a sip of water from an open fire hydrant?  Perhaps he's human.  Perhaps he is tired.  Perhaps people should give him a chance.

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RE: A bit disappointed - 11/9/2008 6:39:16 PM   
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i heard this too!

the bailouts were only going to postpone the inevitable collapse until a couple of weeks after the election. 

can you help us to understand? 

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