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zakkan -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/11/2008 7:56:05 AM)

How do you know the honeytrap method will work?

I always wondered why men will fall for it...




UmbraDomina -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/11/2008 8:48:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: zakkan

How do you know the honeytrap method will work?

I always wondered why men will fall for it...



You never know, it might not.... it always has for me though...... it's amazing if a man thinks he might get a blowjob out of it, what they will be willing to do...lol

I offered it as a way of creating the scene that was desired by LH, without the risk of physical "take down" kidnap/interagation" .




Dnomyar -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/11/2008 10:59:09 AM)

The honeytrap ideal is the only one that will safely work. Using a taser on someone is way to dangerous. Heart attacks happen that way. Pulling any type of weapon on me could get you killed. Survival instincts take over and things happen to fast. Talk the game over with the person before you do anything.




UmbraDomina -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/11/2008 1:05:41 PM)

I would certanly be against useing any type of drug, or any type of real weapon including a taser. Things can always go wrong, thats why they are called accidents. If you have ever been hit with a taser ( I have been during a training exersise) you would know.... A) they hurt like a mac truck hitting you   B) they incapatate you to a drooling idiot  C) they can couse burns, heart issues and even death.
Drugs for the many reasons listed and not listed are a very very bad idea.




Dnomyar -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/13/2008 7:23:24 AM)

I see that UD is trying to use her legs as an enticement.




zakkan -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/13/2008 8:06:29 AM)

And its working pretty well too.




UmbraDomina -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/13/2008 8:07:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

I see that UD is trying to use her legs as an enticement.


*winx at Ray* it's all about useing the right "bait".




Dnomyar -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/13/2008 9:00:00 AM)

When I quit stareing at your legs I will answer you.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/13/2008 11:43:05 AM)

One of the groups I was involved with for a while put together a special-interest-group (SIG) for kidnapping play. They had waivers and such, and a long page explaining how, basically, some night a truck full of "strange" men would come and steal the interested s/b/s/s out of hir home/bed, bind hir, and take hir to an unspecified location, and treat hir accordingly. We actually had some folks sign up, and it was actually pretty popular for a while -- popular enough that they actually ran 2 raids.

During the 2nd raid, folks got a little loud and one of the neighbors apparently called the cops with a description of the vehicle and a partial license plate. It took 3 days, a lawyer, and a sworn statement from all the participants, who swore it was part of a movie script that one of them was writing that they'd decided to 'rehearse' to get it down right... Fortunately, the cops stopped the scene before the more active part -- if they'd walked in on the 'fake' rape scene, they might very well all have ended up in jail.

With it only being the 2nd raid, the risk was determined by the group to be -way- too high... if something went wrong on even 30% of the raids (and right now, they were running a 50% screw-up rate... and after years of doing different stuff, we've had -little- things go wrong on well over half our scenes, and big things go wrong at least 1 in 10 with a -low to moderate- risk threshold... this had an extreme risk threshold and was already doing a crap job on the statistical end), it was virtually guaranteed that someone (probably more than one someone) was really liable to end up in jail over it, and that seemed beyond the pale for group-acceptable risk (individuals can accept whatever risks they want, but something affliated with a group must necessarily be more cautious, or risk the entire group in the process).

Our household decided that we'd stick to our private, very fake in-house, roleplayed attempts. After that, we were glad we did, despite the fact that it is pretty darned fascinating to contemplate. To be fair, though, if you're in the right mindset, even the faked, roleplayed stuff can get really heavy, provided that you can get your mind into the right space to accept what is happening at face value... oh, and we -did- have better success if there wasn't a lot of prep/warning involved right before the activity started.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/13/2008 11:49:08 AM)

I guess it really depends on how much time you have and all that, because sleep deprivation can make things real, or you could possibly lock somebody up in a dark room, switch the light on randomly and tell him after 3 hours he's been in 8 hours or after he fell asleep, wake him up tell him he slept so and so many hours... Give him a completely wrong concept of time (can be done) and then make him bargain for his freedom and getting to work in time




ShaktiSama -> RE: Trust and the Suspension of Disbelief (11/13/2008 11:52:12 AM)

I am fairly strong and have done a number of different scene types, including a few that involved physically overpowering someone.  The experience of real life law enforcement officers, however, states that there is a reason that victims of kidnapping and rape tend to be small women or children.  Overpowering your intended victim is a serious problem, unless you have a squad of fairly vicious trained personnel at your command.  That's why "five foot two, eyes of blue" is the joke description of the ideal kidnapping victim.  Predators look for someone they can easily overpower and easily drag or carry.  Who wants to throw their back out dumping the body?  [:'(]

All this being said...yes, there are ways to get around this to simulate a kidnapping.  But all parties have to understand and agree beforehand, at some level, that there is going to be a simulated kidnapping.  A few surprises can be worked into this, but the "victim" has to accept that he is not going to pull out all the stops to escape or harm his "attacker"; this will be roleplay, and he has to play his role.

How much everyone is able to enjoy it depends on how well everyone can play their parts. It can be great fun and very pleasurable to do an "interrogation" on someone who loves to be bound and tormented and terrified.  Yes, of course he knows it's only me...but in that uniform, with the nasty little accent, the smile of wicked feline malice on my face, and the cattle prod in my hand--?  It's not the "me" he had lunch with last week.  [;)]




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