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pahunkboy -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 6:11:46 AM)
Term, you or Popeye are probaly the only 2 on the board that can digest http://larouchepac.org/media-archive Separate the nut factor and you get some theorumns that are quite interesting. For instance, science is a footprint. We measure science by what we had success with and mentally think is science, however true creativity does not follow a footprint, it makes its own footprint. I recall heated and cordial rants that dad and I went into. I miss that. I wish he was around to hear it again. Even my other brother said he missed it. I did not think anyone was interested in out heated discussions. If a mind is not challenged then it can never grow. everything in the world is not currently invented. Not in the least. The answer is not more control but more mind power. We are influenced by the mythical god of ppithagoreous. The fight is nation state vs globalization. understand the dynamics and the nut show then - the fog of it clears. shareholder value- a bad thing. you see humans are not animals. humans have the power to create. Never limit yourself to thoughts that must 1st be approved by the grid. because when you do- you are merely a horse, an animal. Not a human. Watch some of his vids with patience and you will see more of what you dont now see.

thishereboi -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 6:12:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DedicatedDom40 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I think it's a shame that when a guy hits 72, people think he is going keel over in the next 4 years. Simply being 72 wasnt the concern. The concern was over who would inherit the spot. Had he ran with anoybody less "quayle", his age or health would not have been an issue. People were whining about his age long before his vp pick.....nice try though.

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 6:23:19 AM)
Wasnt enough to deny him the nomination, tho. The issue only became serious after the VP pick.

kittinSol -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 6:25:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi People were whining about his age long before his vp pick.....nice try though. There were reasons to whine about McCain because of his age: let's face it, he is old, and when you're old, your chances of dying are multifold. That's life. He's temperamental, and flies off the handle regularly. It would have been okay, though, had he and that Shmidt guy chosen a plausible VP runner. Alas, they chose the bimbo Palin, who is still doing her passive-aggressive victim act, whining to the media about the GOP traitors who dumped her in the proverbial shit, and complaining about her unfair treatment at the hands of reporters. Let's face it: many people's instincts were spot on. That chick's got no political acumen whatsoever, and the country can sigh with relief that she was kept away from the throne for a little while at least. McCain might have had a chance had he shown less cynicism and more thought in his choice of a running-mate.

kdsub -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 7:09:08 AM)
Four years ago there was a much bigger mess in Iraq and our economy was on life support but the Republicans managed to pull it off. There was no reason they couldn't do it again. If McCain had chosen a conservative VP from the south he could have won. Just imagine if he could have convinced Powell to run with him. Even with all McCain's mistakes it was fairly close. BUT...He made one big mistake...After picking Palin for VP his numbers began to slip...Even this was not fatal but he went to Bush and agreed to let Bush’s political advisors to take over his campaign. This was documented on a PBS front-line. If you noticed… all of a sudden… McCain’s campaign turned from the issues to personal attacks as in the Swift Boat Veterans for truth of four years ago. People were tired of attack politics and so Obama was elected. Butch

kittinSol -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 7:10:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub If McCain had chosen a conservative VP from the south he could have won. Just imagine if he could have convinced Powell to run with him.People were tired of attack politics and so Obama was elected. Brrrrrrrrrrrr shudder. Thank fuck for fate [8D].

pahunkboy -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 7:25:44 AM)
Sara Palin is unfairly bashed. She is not use to Washington politics. She would be good for some position, just not a major one. MCain is not the same guy as he was 8 years ago. He is too old. Every prez ages quite a bit in office. IM GLAD MccaIN did not win. However, the sad part is- that Obama also is a globalist. He will do some good. But the politicians could care less about the peons. The massive outcry over the bail out is a good example. We are still a colony lf Great Brittan. That hold on us will be further clamped down when the last shread of Brenton woods is destroyed this week. The 17th the markets will collapse. You see, the globalists are destroying the nation state. Just make sure that all your thought are only thoughts that the grid allows you to think. Sorta like horses. A horse is ment to serve the purpose..an animal. We are reduced to animals under globalization. and Obama is a globalist. I am going to be rich when it all collapses. You can help me coount my money. Hmm. I wonder if the big boys have the same idea..... Notice how there is no talk about states rights? the nation state is dead. the nation mode is dead. globalize oh ye animals now- or be killed.

Bethnai -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 7:42:53 AM)
I really have a hard time with McCain as a decoy. The Republicans should have dropped the Evangelicals 20 years ago. If you go back to the last election you will find this argument of how Bush betrayed the Evangelicals. There is already a division in the Republican party. It has come out front and center this time around. I think that it will come out, eventually, that McCain got caught in the crossfires. I expect that the push and shove of the party will come out. Meaning he was not controlling a damn thing. I think that is the primary problem. So, the worst move that they made was adding in Palin who is representative of that all together. I have said this before and I will say it again, I don't think he had any real choice in choosing Palin. I think by the time it rolled around Palin was a last ditch effort to appease the religious and to attempt to gain those whom they believed voted for Clinton soley because she was a woman. I think they knew at that time, it was a wrap. They are going to have to do more then bring somebody viable to the table. They are going to have change the party line.

kittinSol -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 7:46:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai They are going to have to do more then bring somebody viable to the table. They are going to have change the party line. Bingo, and moving away from the psycho religious nuts will be good for everybody. The level of the political debate needs to be raised: enough with those fucking wedge issues. Atwater died over a decade ago, and we're still putting up with his legacy. Enough already.

Bethnai -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 8:18:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Bethnai They are going to have to do more then bring somebody viable to the table. They are going to have change the party line. Bingo, and moving away from the psycho religious nuts will be good for everybody. The level of the political debate needs to be raised: enough with those fucking wedge issues. Atwater died over a decade ago, and we're still putting up with his legacy. Enough already. Its funny that you mentioned the level of political debate. I'm just going to rant for a minute because I just participated in this debate elsewhere and I'm still wired. I found it odd that the party that states that the education system is dumbing down and needs to raise its standards turned around and treated the American public as dumb as rocks. So, as I watched the course of this election I was left feeling insulted. We have had an onslaught of literature that has detailed information of our foreign policies. There is no pretending events did not occur. We have an American public that will watch the Supreme Court decisions. We can talk to others who live on the other side of the world. I think that this is an area that this particular party is going to have to raise their standards in.

LadyEllen -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 10:02:15 AM)
You know T - I said pretty much the same a while back as your "olman" told you. Not that I have evidence of any conspiracy - but it just seems literally incredible to me the way the Rep campaign was run so poorly; it seemed everything was done to the exact opposite effect of getting him elected. And of course it works out quite nicely for the Reps that a Dem and a Dem Congress will be facing the music over the next few years - leaving them to wash their hands of any responsibility. E

Termyn8or -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 10:32:13 AM)
LE, the olman does not read CM. I might recall something like that mentioned, but he is a TV watcher, doesn't get all that much news on the net but also reads the paper, OTHER than the headlines. There is alot more news in there, like buried on page 42F or something. He is fairly well read, but this came later in life. His opinion is what I relayed, hopefully accurately. I don't think he'll be getting a CM membership, but I bet he'd find all of this interesting. Maybe I can give him a direct link to OTD. I still don't say that I agree with his assertation, but I find it quite plausible, this from me who has already stated that I consider the election not much more than a dog and pony show. And by the way, if y'all have the choice, sacrifice the goat. Goat meat sucks, lamb is much better. T

UncleNasty -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 11:30:25 AM)
Any creature can be used as a sacrifice. Different cultures and religions have tended towards their own specifics though. I've seen several sacrificial goats. They were used as bear bait and hung in trees during season. When I spent scads of time in the back country Appalachias I happened on several of them. Not pleasant I must add. Pahunkboy, what do you have that has led you to believe this statement - "The 17th the markets will collapse." I read some of the more, er, um, alternative press and haven't seen anything suggesting such deliberateness that a date can be accurately predicted. Uncle Nasty

subrob1967 -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 11:59:42 AM)
I'd really like to know why McCain was chosen to run in the first place? I never really saw any support for him from any republicans I know, until he selected Palin. How the man won the nomination is a mystery to me (crossover dems in the primaries?)

Termyn8or -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 12:16:24 PM)
subr, that's pretty much the idea of this post. There are plenty of republicans out there who would have had alot better chance. But they didn't run them. The olman's assertion was that they knew they would lose and are saving it up for next time. T

philosophy -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 1:09:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Sara Palin is unfairly bashed. ..oh come on PA.........making rape victims pay for the rape kits, all by itself, was a good enough reason to bash her........

Cagey18 -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 1:52:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or subr, that's pretty much the idea of this post. There are plenty of republicans out there who would have had alot better chance. But they didn't run them. The olman's assertion was that they knew they would lose and are saving it up for next time. T "They didn't run them"? "They" don't make that choice. The candidates choose whether or not to run in the primaries. The RNC has nought to do with the choice until the primaries select a candidate. Did you follow the news at the beginning of the year, or did you just wake up one morning and go "Holy shit, who picked McCain?"

Cagey18 -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 1:54:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 I'd really like to know why McCain was chosen to run in the first place? I never really saw any support for him from any republicans I know, until he selected Palin. How the man won the nomination is a mystery to me (crossover dems in the primaries?) Thank the winner-take-all rules of the Republican primaries. Otherwise Romney might have won the nomination. Crossover Democrats? Don't make me laugh. The Democrats were too busy choosing between Hillary and Obama.

Termyn8or -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/11/2008 8:50:14 PM)
Cagey, if what you are saying is that the process is indeed what it appears to be, and that there is nothing going on behind the scenes that does explain a thing or two. It explains why the people with the best minds do not covet the big chair. Every election it seems it gets worse and worse. I guess it makes sense. T

Bethnai -> RE: McCain a sacrificial goat ? (11/12/2008 6:22:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen You know T - I said pretty much the same a while back as your "olman" told you. Not that I have evidence of any conspiracy - but it just seems literally incredible to me the way the Rep campaign was run so poorly; it seemed everything was done to the exact opposite effect of getting him elected. And of course it works out quite nicely for the Reps that a Dem and a Dem Congress will be facing the music over the next few years - leaving them to wash their hands of any responsibility. E You did say that before or maybe it is a different one I am thinking of. Conspiracy something. I wasn't ready to look at it then very deeply. I think I'm ready to do that now. I just have to go find it.

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