SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/13/2008 4:58:15 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Irishknight You neglect to point out that sawing down a rifle destroys its accuracy. A sawed off shotgun becomes a close in weapon as its patterning capabilities drop amazingly at what used to be short range for the weapon. In short, the hacksaw kills the range on rifles and shotguns. And your point? quote:
I can barely even begin to address your statement that modern hunting rifles are more dangerous than military sniper rifled. To actually make that statement accurate would involve comparing weapons from like times throughout history. Outside of the Marines, most sniper rifles sucked compared to your average hunting rifles, it wasn't until the Vietnam war that real attention was paid to creating sniper rifles that were even AS accurate as your average joe sixpack's huntin iron. Even the No 4T's that were hand selected by Holland and Holland were not capable of minute of angle accuracy and the scopes sucked. The creation of the modern sniper rifle really came about in the last 20 years and for both power and accuracy, civilian guns easily match them. Some of the larger military special ops snipers using the .338 Lapua round were again created from standard civilian parts. Sorry but you are SO very very wrong here. quote:
I highly doubt that many hunting weapons compare to the .50 caliber sniper rifles used throughout the militaries of the world today. The .50 caliber sniper rifles the military used were INVENTED for the civilian market and in general the military ones lag behind the civilian market in accuracy. quote:
To say that assault weapon ammo is too weak for deer is both inaccurate and silly. If an AK47 could not bring down a deer, then it would not bring down a human. Since that weapon has been the backbone of the majority of rebel fighters and all communist armies for well over 50 years, numbers don't agree with your statement. As others have so eloquently pointed out, you are talking about things you know nothing about. Deer are FAR harder to kill than a human being so in some cases, my point is silly except to point out that assault weapons are LESS POWERFUL not more powerful as the silly anti gun people love to pretend. Oh and it wasn't the backbone of all communist armies, Kalashnikov (who's hand I have shaken) didn't get that weapon into the field until the 1950s and it wasn't until the 1960s that other countries began manufacturing it and many stayed with the SKS until way late. In addition, Czechoslovakia didn't use the AK, they used the CZ58 that kept the appearance of the AK but was functionally completely different using a falling block rather than a rotating block as a locking system. There were other differences but you get the point I hope. quote:
Even a .22 long rifle can bring down a deer with one well placed shot and it is far weaker than any "assault rifle." Everybody gets something right and here is your one correct statement quote:
You might also want to take into consideration old, surplus ammo versus new ammo manufactured for the weapons. HUGE power difference. You ever actually seen any of this stuff or do you get all your information off the internet? There is plenty of ammunition made three centuries ago that is still just as powerful as the day it left the factory. The only problem ammo tends to have is either bad storage in which case it makes the ammo MORE hot, not less, and bad primers, a common problem with European ammo from the late 1940s and 1950s as the new non corrosive priming compounds had short shelf life. quote:
It truly doesn't matter what you get shot with if the guy on the other end knows where to put the round. Okay, 2nd right thing, nothing is more deadly than someone who can shoot.
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