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.Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/12/2008 3:41:11 PM

RCdc

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Yeah, I am fucked off. The.dark. ranting.
I have probably bored some people to death the past few nights, over something I feel passionately about. I apologise to people if I did kind of hijack threads recently, but copyright issues and theft is a big issue to both Darcy and myself.

A dear person had their image stolen and posted under another profile. Obviously, this person was stupid enough to post on the same message board she frequents, that is just by-the-by.

But I wanted to urge people to watermark their images. It is the most simple of things to do and there are loads of free software you can download that gives you the ability to watermark your image. You can do it on photoshop and other imaging software. It takes a couple of minutes.

The reason I am posting this in the BDSM portion of the forum and not off topic, is because I also believe it is totally relevant to another thread going on, about meeting someone who has never sent a photograph/that you have never seen. I wanted to state, that although there are absolutely loads of people on BDSM sites such as this that are posting genuine photographs of themselves, there are those idiotic few who are not. As cool as being sent a photograph is, it isn't the be and end of all. Webcam if you can, but do not rely on a photograph only. It's cool as a guide, but like all things, it is only a guide.

Again, I apologise if this comes across as a rant and OTT advice etc. But this is not only a major issue of law, but also an aspect of safety.

If anyone wants advice on watermarking material, just ask and I will try and help out.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/12/2008 3:43:50 PM

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Heh well since you offered... howwwwwwww or where do I go to do watermarking? I've CMailed a few people here and asked but never got instructions that I could follow. I for one am glad that you brought this up, not that I think I'm special enough to have my pic ripped off but I have always wanted to learn how to do this.
Yay for your post!

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/12/2008 3:46:07 PM

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Camille - if you have photoshop, I can go through it here with you or just contact me on the otherside and send me the image and I will watermark it for you.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/12/2008 4:14:13 PM

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A link to a watermarking tutorial I use, suitable for both photoshop and paint ;

http://www.thedigitalsite.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?search_id=605034026&t=658

Just a point though, when we go to upload pictures onto this site, it does state only pictures you took yourself

Which means, if someone has gone to the audacity to steal your bona fide picture and say it is their own, which they are agreeing to when they upload, not only are they false representing themselves, but are in breach of copyright law and in the case of 'lifted' pictures from other sources, it could get this site into a whole lot of shit.

Someone who does this, is contrary to site rules and as a result should be treated accordingly.

Edited to add, here is a free program for watermarking, obtained with good reports from the photo forum I use ;

http://www.codingelite.com/tools/

< Message edited by Aneirin -- 11/12/2008 4:17:34 PM >

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/12/2008 4:16:31 PM

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Thanks the-Dark for posting this.
Basically I don't post pictures because I know how easy it is to tamper with them. Was married to a photographer.

It is good to see someone tell people about how easy it is to have your phote ripped off. Didn't know about the watermarking. Good to know

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/12/2008 4:19:59 PM

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I did just want to add, because I wasn't clear in the initial post in my mind, that watermarking by itself does not guarrentee that the image is authentic but that if you do watermark your name across your image, it makes it harder for people to lift the image and put it on a differently named profile or site.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/12/2008 4:31:11 PM

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Thanks for the extra information on watermarking, Dark and Aneirin. I going to read up on it.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 4:41:57 AM

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You are welcome oceanwynds. If you have any probs, contact me the other side and I will do the best to help out.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 5:00:21 AM

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Photos are an interesting topic on their own. I don't know how many people have emailed me and asked me if it is really my photo on my profile. I keep wondering if they think I really would have stolen it, and if I was an identity thief why I wouldn't have stolen a more attractive one. I actually removed my photos for a while because I wanted people to listen to what I had to say rather than building a fantasy around what they felt they saw.

I have chosen to use an avatar here for a similar reason - I would prefer that people pay more attention to the words than the photo. I think it is human nature to pay more attention to someone that we find attractive though the attention isn't always given to the words.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 5:57:14 AM

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I can understand some of the concern... if I felt my photos were of commercial value in which someone could profit from then I would feel a need to watermark... which I have seen occur with some stolen pet photos that were transfered to another object and then sold on ebay....

but my photos here are generally not going to be of commercial value so if stolen would be used to misrepresent themselves---anybody stupid enough to use a stolen photo to misrepresent themselves ..has boxed themselves into a corner as they can never meet another party that is interested in them without painting themselves as a liar and thief ..so they are self punishing themselves and watermarking will not prevent photo theft in cases when using for sites such as these,,, how many viewers of a photo focus their attention on a watermark and lets say for example the.dark watermarks personal photos "the.dark" -- and that photo gets stolen and used elsewhere ---how many viewers that do not know the.dark personally is going to know the meaning of a watermark that reads "the.dark" --- so watermarking in this case does not prevent the photo from being stolen and used elsewhere in a profile --- what it will help prevent is the photo from being used for the making of commercial prints

even if I watermarked my photos "maya" someone could still steal and use... if they willing to steal and use a photo they can make up a lie about the the watermark as well saying it was an older id they used or they could create a profile the includes maya in it

so the watermark can become a useless tool in preventing photo thefts

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 6:10:56 AM

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Hi maya
My post was not specifically about copyright issues per say. It is about wasting other peoples time.
I completely agree that having a name across the image does not stop other people using the image. However most people will stop and question why anothers name is written across a photograph and if there are other socalled 'red flags' popping up - it might just assist people making decisions and choices.
You also have the issue of a person using your image and giving out really bad advice or placing people at risk. Or using your image on a profile that may support ideas you wouldn't adhere to in your everyday life. BDSM sites are not the only ones around.
It's got nothing to do with commercial value of an image, but the way your image can represent you as a person to other people. It is also theft and identity fraud.

I do get your point about using the name in another profile way etc - If your name is used often I would also include a date. Personally, if someone told me it was an old name they used, I would use my common sense and tell the person I would be looking into it. Of course you have to use your common sense when watermarking, it isn't the be and end of all as I said, don't rely on a photograph anyway. However it is a tool to use and is free and at your disposal.

the.dark.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 6:25:47 AM

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My other point was that the watermark can create a false sense of security that your photo can not be stolen an used

for example someone could steal your photo with the watermark .... and create a profile id -- thedarkside which includes "the.dark" there fore it can appear to look like it is the real property of the profile id holder

I could watermark my photos as "maya2001" a person could steal my photo and use the id -- angelmaya2001 ...so again it may not create suspicion that the photo is a stolen one because part of the profile id matches the watermark in the photo

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 8:52:00 AM

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As I said and addressed above after you edited, I do get that watermarking isn't the be and end of all. But it does mark an image so that people do have fewer options that they would do have normally.
Anyone trusting images - watermarked or not - and putting faith in them alone is like anything else, pretty short sighted. It's cool that you don't feel it necessary to watermark your images. But for those that want to, those sites are a tool to those that want to have a go. If you are happy with the possibility of someone taking your image and stealing your identity, that's cool. But it is a tool - and like any tool you can use it or not, but don't rely on it. And if a watermarked image causes just one person to think and ask questions, it's all good.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 10:14:46 AM

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At least others know that watermarking a photo is another option that can be used or not.
BTW .dark, love your new profile photo.

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RE: .Photographs and Watermarking. - 11/13/2008 10:48:05 AM

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Thank you for the kind words on the photograph, bearone.

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