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WhiplashSmile2 -> Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 2:32:35 AM)

Quick Preface
Perhaps one of the biggest challenges in any D/s relationship deals with rules and expectations.  A clear and consistent structure.  Sure there are many boiler plate slave rules and contracts circulating all over the internet.  Some of these are very entertaining at best to read.  Nothing to take too seriously, in my opinion.  

Anyways, I figured it was about time for me to make a post regarding one of the  D/s expectations or rules that I established over the years. One that is practical in nature.

Pillow Talk Time
Time set aside at night to lay in bed together, or relax together on a couch or where ever, to be intimate without all the wild sex going on (great to do after wild sex).  It's quality bonding time, without the TV running or other distractions going on.  Time to have intimate conversation, to share emotions, feelings, fears, fantasies or issues.  

I find this quality time works best at the Start or End of the day.  Yes, this is an actual expectation or rule that I have for any D/s relationship.

I guess this can fall into the category of being a ritual practice between two people, so call it a ritual, rule or expectation.  It's something I insist upon doing.

Schedule Conflicts
Some people have crazy schedules, where one is working third shift or another on first shift.  This can be done when one person is waking up and the other person is unwinding going to bed.  A few other good times are after meal times.   Basically, it's finding a good time to make it a consistent part of the daily schedule.

Entertainment Conflicts
Some people have favorite TV shows and such.  It's pretty amazing how TV and other things such as X-Box or video games take priority over many people's relationships.   These can become a bit of a conflict.   Options for dealing with this.  To record those shows and watch them later at some other time.  Trust me, you won't miss your show if you do this.  Many people jump at the instant gratification of watching a new episode of their favorite tv show air at exactly 9pm (whatever time).  If you record it, you won't miss a thing.   It's OK to deny yourself of instant gratification, won't hurt you one bit.   Also level 999 of whatever video game will still be there waiting for when you come back to it, that's what they make game save add-ons for.

Another way to work around this, is to have a different "Pillow Talk" time schedule for certain times when you do want to watch back to back TV shows for all night long.   Look for a scheduled time you could do it earlier on during the day.  If you partner watches these same shows, have you pillow talk time afterwords. 

I'm pretty much stressing the use of common sense along with using a little self control in refraining from instant gratification at times.  DOMS do not become slaves to the TV or Video games.  Attempt to apply control and self discipline to yourself.  Remember that you need to spend time with your submissive to reinforce the Relationship Dynamics.  Take a little time out. 

Heart and Soul
D/s is not all about the physical aspects of the relationship along with service submission.  (with exception for those relationships that are).   Inorder to DOM your submissive partners heart and soul, you need to focus some time on quality communication and intimate bonding time.  Floggers and using them for fuckmeat don't get you there.  These things might make for a great warm up leading to "pillow talk" time though.  It's amazing at how people emotional and mentally open up to one another after Sex or Play.  Take advantage of these moments.  Don't worry, your favorite TV will still be there waiting for you if you recorded it, your video game will still be where you last left off if you saved it.   Issues at work will still be waiting for you at work.  There are an endless list of things I can say about things still being there for you, whatever those things may be.

Emotional Conflicts
Everybody is not always in the best of moods, disagreements and arguments and such happen even in D/s relationships at times.  (Hate to Disillusion anybody about this one).  

I'm going to stress something, if you have been engaging in having "Pillow Talk" time on a consistent and regular basis, and you and your partner are conditioned to mentally and emotionally opening up to one another on a set schedule. "Pillow Time" is perhaps the best time to "Kiss and make up".  Why?  Because both of you have made it a habit to bond at this time.

Who could have thought that Human Conditioning plays a role here.  But it can and does for many people.  Not only is the submissive conditioned to this time for opening up, so is the Dominant partner.  Yes, even us Doms get Conditioned by the routines, expectations, rituals and rules that have been established in a D/s relationship.

Back to the concept of "Shaping and molding" being a two way street.   I'm aware that my expectations for "Pillow Talk" time not only condition my partner it also conditions me.  There have been moments when I was upset or pissed off, funny thing is that it all went by the way side when the scheduled "Pillow talk" time came around.  My frame of mind was totally refocused upon things in a different light.  I can honestly say the same applies to the other person.

Final thoughts
I thought I'd post something as some food for thought for other people.  Take from it what you can, it's something to explore and think about.  Everybody has a different method to their madness when it comes to D/s relationships.  Different flavors, styles, desires, wants and needs.

I'm just sharing with other people, one of the so called (rules, expectations or rituals) that I have found great value in having in a D/s relationship.  I've even noticed a negative difference if this routine or expectation slides.  It's something that needs to be consistently done for it to work.

I realize many poeple are involved in 24/7 D/s relationships, where the dynamics also include husband and wife, live in boyfriend and girlfriend.  Basically loving committed relationships where people sleep in the same bed together. 

"Pillow Talk" time can also be applied to the other flavors and forms of D/s dynamic relationships.  Just slap a different label on it, if it makes you feel better.  Call it "Bonding time", call it "Our Time" or whatever else you want.  

Hell you could call it "Leash and Chain time" if you want to come off all hardcore sounding about it.   You can have your slave kneeling and hugging around your legs and feet while collared and leashed.  Well you get the idea here.  It's up to you how big of a BDSM freak you want to be while doing this.  Just simply incorperate your other dynamics and practices along with it. LOL.. 




mefisto69 -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 5:09:00 AM)

Great post. The only thing to take into consideration is that for the past 30 years or so, american society was been well trained in instant gratification. I'm sure that one facet can be a major area of concern to most relationships.




candystripper -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 8:50:17 AM)

Man, you write great Ops, Whiplash.
 
You're going to make some lucky woman bissfully happy.  I hope there are more Doms like you.
 
Peace out.
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]
 




cagliostro -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:04:01 AM)

A dom with a heart. And a brain.  Two thumbs up.  Glad I'm not the only one.  Sometimes I wonder, you know?




missturbation -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:09:13 AM)

Personally i find it all pretty patronising.




sailorfrank -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:14:22 AM)

   Out of curosity in what way do you find it like that?

Mostly sounded okay except for the pillow talk being more set.  I think it is better not being expected all the time.  Some things should be brought up as they come up.....seems nicer then!




missturbation -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:20:41 AM)

Reads like a kindergarten class on how to have intimate time with your partner. I agree with the premise that sometimes we just don't make time for it but a class on how to do it?




agirl -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:34:13 AM)

I really like reading your posts Whiplash...I like your unabashed frankness. I like the fact that you share your thoughts and feelings in what I consider rather a brave fashion. I certainly wouldn't offer myself up to the wolves in this way.

You get a lot of positive feedback, along with the snipes.... so long may it continue.

Regards, agirl




sailorfrank -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:35:37 AM)

   Kind of thought so.  But didnt want to second guess you on it.


And of course we all have our ideas on how to entertain our partners!




FlamingRedhead -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:39:16 AM)

Sometimes a class is exactly what people need.  Mine had me read an article called "Fair Fighting."  Basically, instead of pestering them to talk about serious issues when there's other stuff going on or letting it all build up until you "go off" on them, you should politely inquire as to when they are available to talk.  This lets them know that something's up without being slammed.  During the conversation time, you stick to the subject at hand, which means no bringing up the past.  Neither is allowed to be disrespectful to the other.  If emotions flare, take a time-out for an hour and then come back.
 
I have to admit that I thought the whole thing was kinda silly and forced, but I'm perfectly willing to try it now.  It sure as hell beats trying to communicate via derogatory emails, yelling and name calling, or not speaking at all.




missturbation -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:46:15 AM)

I agree.
I'm not objecting to the premise of the post just the way it is written. However i'm sure most people will enjoy it and gain something from it and thats all good and the point, is it not?
 
A girl, just my personal opinion and in no way a snipe.




agirl -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:48:39 AM)

I agree. I know M and I have most communication aspects nailed down after years, but I sometimes appreciate being reminded of WHY we have.

Also, considering the amount of posts with very basic relationship problems, a post or two of this nature isn't redundant.

agirl




agirl -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 11:56:58 AM)

My post wasn't aimed at you as it happens. My comment regarding sniping was based on reading other threads, other comments and  MY thoughts on that.

As I said , Whiplash gets plenty of positive feedback along with sniping comments and I was expressing my positive regards.

agirl




missturbation -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 12:02:04 PM)

Well then technically it probably was aimed at me as i very rarely agree with the OP and have stated so in many threads.
It's all good though [:D]




kiwisub12 -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 12:03:49 PM)

Slightly off topic - but the first time my Sir left a favourite tv show to put me to bed just blew my mind  - in a good way!!

When i told him this - he told me i was more important to him than a tv show - and i got all misty eyed.

talk about positive bonding! [:D]




sirsholly -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 12:22:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sailorfrank

 

Mostly sounded okay except for the pillow talk being more set.  I think it is better not being expected all the time.  Some things should be brought up as they come up.....seems nicer then!


The spur of the moment chats are wonderful but sometimes they just don't happen. For us, pillow chat is needed. The few minutes of talking before we fall asleep is precious.




agirl -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 1:06:59 PM)

I have to say that I haven't noticed your particular sniping in regards to Whiplash, though a few others have stood out.

All good from where I'm sitting as none of it matters much to me.

agirl




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/14/2008 3:00:26 PM)

Lions and Tigers and Bears, there's been a wave of negative engery floating around the threads lately.  People getting into heated exchanges, and posts being pulled from various threads.  (Think many people may have noticed this lately).

Ok, so the opening post can be viewed as patronizing to some people, and perhaps reads like a kindergarten class on how to have intimate time with your partner. 

I'm trying to make some constructive positive posts and share things as food for thought.  As somebody else pointed out.  A class is exactly what some people need at times.  Not everybody needs to have a class though on a given subject. 

When I make a post, people are free to either read it or not.  I'm not forcing anybody to read this, and I'm not forcing anybody to attend a class either.

So what are my true motivations in making such a post....  you want to know?  In all honestly...  I've not been in 24/7 relationship for a few years.  I'm going back through some of my own expectations of a 24/7 relationship.  Me thinking about this stuff and sharing it with other people, is part of this process.   So, I made a post about one of those expectations, because I found this one to be very positive and useful in the past.   I'm sharing it with others for whatever good that can come of it.




Barelily -> RE: Pillow talk time (11/15/2008 3:23:48 AM)

quote:

Lions and Tigers and Bears, there's been a wave of negative angry floating around the threads lately.  People getting into heated exchanges, and posts being pulled from various threads.  (Think many people may have noticed this lately).

Ok, so the opening post can be viewed as patronizing to some people, and perhaps reads like a kindergarten class on how to have intimate time with your partner. 

I'm trying to make some constructive positive posts and share things as food for thought.  As somebody else pointed out.  A class is exactly what some people need at times.  Not everybody needs to have a class though on a given subject. 

When I make a post, people are free to either read it or not.  I'm not forcing anybody to read this, and I'm not forcing anybody to attend a class either.

So what are my true motivations in making such a post....  you want to know?  In all honestly...  I've not been in 24/7 relationship for a few years.  I'm going back through some of my own expectations of a 24/7 relationship.  Me thinking about this stuff and sharing it with other people, is part of this process.   So, I made a post about one of those expectations, because I found this one to be very positive and useful in the past.   I'm sharing it with others for whatever good that can come of it.

Personally I enjoyed your post, it was insightful and I can see where it would be helpful to other Doms willing to take a look at themselves and see if theres room for improvement. 




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