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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 4:29:09 PM   
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I have posted this chart many times.

http://www.massagenerd.com/pictures/endangerment1.jpg


I started a thread on it and post it whenever safety is talked about. These are the endangerment sites. i have also done threads on different types of pain and what to watch out for. I am a massage therapist and Instructor so these sites apply to any palpation or hitting. i do agree that everyone bruises differently. My butt has become quite resistant. The politeal area(behind the knee) should never be bruised.





Anything around the knee is far too dangerous, kneecaps break easily (hitting from the front or the right angle from the sides), I come from a martial arts background and the first thing I learned is that the areas where you would hit a potential attacker in self-defence are usually "danger areas" in BDSM. If you really want to cause somebody pain behind the knee, a bit of deep heat and wax or ice play will suffice just fine.



thats exactly what I said! i told the Op that those who practice martial arts are a good bet for one to play with and gave her the same reasons you mentioned. My Warden said the same thing. he took Judo. And he is the only one who has really approached things the right way.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 4:35:27 PM   
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I agree with the post about having someone with you.  When first witnessing certain types of play I had someone standing next to me that I could make comments to or ask questions of and it was a huge help.  I also learned that you should try toys on yourself first (or have someone try them on you) before using them on a sub.  That includes even things as simple as nipple clamps.  It is important that you understand firsthand what the feeling is.  I never try something on a sub before trying it out on myself and in some cases, a willing participant.  (Embarrassing but true story - my brother-in-law found my crop in my room and asked me to use it on him for practice before I used it on a sub.  He still announces to people that he was my "whipping boy".)

At the same time, don't underestimate the power of books.  These can give a lot of good safety tips along with information on how to really get into someone's head.  Sometimes the latter is hard to pick up just by watching. 


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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 4:37:20 PM   
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I agree with the post about having someone with you.  When first witnessing certain types of play I had someone standing next to me that I could make comments to or ask questions of and it was a huge help.  I also learned that you should try toys on yourself first (or have someone try them on you) before using them on a sub.  That includes even things as simple as nipple clamps.  It is important that you understand firsthand what the feeling is.  I never try something on a sub before trying it out on myself and in some cases, a willing participant.  (Embarrassing but true story - my brother-in-law found my crop in my room and asked me to use it on him for practice before I used it on a sub.  He still announces to people that he was my "whipping boy".)

At the same time, don't underestimate the power of books.  These can give a lot of good safety tips along with information on how to really get into someone's head.  Sometimes the latter is hard to pick up just by watching. 



I agree and I have the same approach, however some people consider that not very dominant, I guess I can live with that, though to be perfectly honest, CBT is something I simply can't try on myself


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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 7:24:42 PM   
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Wow, thank you all so much for the excellent information and advice. I will see if I can find someone to tag along with when I actually go to a play night.

I should have clarified- the reason this particular idea interested me so much was because it is NOT a play event; it is an afternoon educational opportunity for noobs. If anything, it's more 'coffeetime Q&A at your local dungeon & welcome to your BDSM community!' than anything else.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 9:07:43 PM   
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I found using the internet and sites like this much more helpful for two reasons:

1.  Allows me the ability to find someone who truly is compatible even if hundreds or thousands of miles away instead of settling on someone who is closer.  That perfect match isn't always in the same town.

2. The local munches, workshops never seemed to be favorable to my work schedule.  I'd think only being able to attend one or two a year wouldn't be that beneficial, it would be the equivalent of starting a new profile here every month, never having the time to effectively actually getting to know people.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 9:28:01 PM   
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i was 5 years before ventured out into the lifestyle. could smack myself for. i listened to all the BS about how nasty things could be. i really missed some great opprotunities with all the goings in the Pitts. our local dungeon here in Orlando really gears up and welcomes noobs. they get the full range of Q&A, scene options, tool fxs, from the staff as well as the regulars.

hopefully if they are that geared for newcomers they take it seriously. hang out, enjoy yourself. i know it can be amazing at the connections you can make.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 9:45:17 PM   
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That perfect match isn't always in the same town.

LA is a pretty huge town. :) That also means the Inland Empire (oh joy :P), Long Beach, San Pedro, Orange County, etc... Also, most of their events are fri/sat nights... if I do decide this is for me and want to go to more local events, I am free if I so choose.

Leakylee, that's wonderful to hear, thank you!

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 10:44:41 PM   
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A newby event such as this is most likely to be a great way to find out lots of stuff, especially as you are interested more in the BDSM rather than the D/s side of things. We used to run workshops and discussion groups, and they were both popular and successful. Plus it's a chance to make some kinky friends, and in itself, it's such a relief to be able to openly talk about this stuff with reasonably likeminded others! If you haven't anyone to go with, look around for someone else who looks a little lonely or lost and chum up with them. Or mention to whoever is hosting that you're on your own, and they are likely to intro you to some good folks to chat with. All the best, have fun and learn lots!

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/14/2008 11:49:32 PM   
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Does anyone else find it ironic that a dungeon is considered 'sterile' and 'safe'? :P

Oh, I've never heard that about dungeons.  I've definitely heard the opposite though.
As for the idea in this thread that dungeons are safer than houses because "at least at a dungeon you know the people are serious and properly trained", huh?  That's like saying it's safer to eat at a restaurant because at least at a restaurant the people have taken a Food Safe course.  But have you ever gotten sick from eating at home?  I haven't, but I've been sick from eating out 3 or 4 times now.  Just because someone is on the inside of "a dungeon" doesn't make them safe, experienced, educated, compatible, fun, attractive, or any of the other things you (probably) want in a partner.

EDIT: No, lusciouslips19, I was talking to the OP, sorry I didn't make that clear.



Actually it's quite important to keep a Dungeon safe and clean.  And not every one is...I wouldn't stick around if'n I didn't see any security or folks didn't follow proper protocol for cleaning equiptment after playing.
 
There have been some Dungeon Masters and Dungeon owners on CM.  I dunno if'n they're still here, nor do I know anyone who's actually been to one of the places they mentioned. 
 
You might do a 'search' for *dungeon* as a key word, either here or on the 'other side' of CM.  Maybe someone who has traveled more could help.
 
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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/15/2008 12:22:37 AM   
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Actually it's quite important to keep a Dungeon safe and clean.  And not every one is...I wouldn't stick around if'n I didn't see any security or folks didn't follow proper protocol for cleaning equiptment after playing.

I put 'sterile' and 'safe' in quotations because i didn't mean them in any hygiene/sanitary sense.
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There have been some Dungeon Masters and Dungeon owners on CM.  I dunno if'n they're still here, nor do I know anyone who's actually been to one of the places they mentioned. 
 

ummm... ok?? relevance? and why would I need to speak with a Dungeon master here?
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You might do a 'search' for *dungeon* as a key word, either here or on the 'other side' of CM. 

I did... I found some protocol threads that were helpful. Thanks.


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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/15/2008 8:34:38 AM   
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My perspective comes from learning the hard way. I broke off with a dom because he was technically unfit. I was hit behind the knee in the crease. this is an endangerment site filled with blood vessels. It took 3 weeks for the bruises to go away. That is 2 weeks longer than any bruise should take to heal. I have also suffered swelling in my wrists from someone not listening. Had Doms whacking me aboout my hip bones and slapping at my kidneys. Safety is of the utmost importance to me. I am lucky that I know what these cautionary sites are. As a Massage therapist and educator i have learned and taught it. Some may not know as much as me and may not know the danger is hitting these areas until its too late.

I know I am on the safety soapbox again.


The safety soapbox is a pretty good place to be when introducing players, IMNSHO.

A few basics:

  • impact to joints equals injury. The sjambok as weapon is used directly at joint strikes.
  • impact to bones equals probable injury, or at least bone bruises—(not minor).
  • impact to fleshy parts (muscle especially) equals fun; and caning as a top should never be undertaken without instruction! Sensual Caning article
  • constriction at joints equals caution. Repetitive stress injuries, compressed major nerves. Limited blood flow is fairly safe play for up to a few hours (except to HEAD!!!) but research first.
  • common sense ain't! Don't toss your horse sense out with your control; negotiate first, and make sure to include communication option during a scene as well as beforehand.


The U.S. National Guard for one group, and riot-control police, etc., get trained in the places not to hit rioters because they can kill someone if hit there (neck, spine, kidneys, spleen, liver, gut, etc.)

Now, back to the OP's topic:
A commercial/public dungeon or just a local kinky community dungeon can be safer or not. Like everything else, it depends on the players. However, it is a great way to meet folks (also munches, of course), and, better, observe how they play. Before asking if you might play with them. Of course, it can also be overwhelming to the newcomer who has an interest in mild bondage or flogging or spanking, and gets an eyeful with a suspension scene in one corner, a fisting in another, urethral sounding in the medical chair, and major play piercings with two-player corset lacing in the blood-sports room. I know someone who was scared right out of the scene by such play at a private home. So it can be more than you expect, and less or more than you hope.

And the safety factor, as always, depends on the individual players.

Lady Delilah Deb
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This is probably true. i would have been overwhelmed in a dungeon at the beginning. i looked around alt and it freaked me out so I opted for AFF(actually met my current Dom there). When I finally did join AFF the first time i again ran away screaming from the freaks. i was more prepared and joined again later. Once I found CM, this is a much better environment. I know there are alot of fakes here but the real people are more serious about the lifestyle, looking for more long term and less about a thrill.

i wish I had found these forums sooner. This is a great place to learn and get direction. SO many here are willing to share their knowledge.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/15/2008 10:03:58 AM   
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For someone who is more interested in s & m than in a relationship per se, then there appears to be little downside in starting in public with tops who join the teaching the noobs group because they enjoy playing with noobs.

Of course, it's doubtful you'll develop a relationship with any of those people who specifically target noobs for play so as long as you don't get interested in the top, it should be fine.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/15/2008 2:04:21 PM   
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You will get a lot of attention . Try not to be overwhelmed by it.  The cute newcomers usually do.

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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/15/2008 2:14:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: StrtbkNamdDesire
I should have clarified- the reason this particular idea interested me so much was because it is NOT a play event; it is an afternoon educational opportunity for noobs. If anything, it's more 'coffeetime Q&A at your local dungeon & welcome to your BDSM community!' than anything else.


Sounds like a "can't lose" proposition, then. That's the kind of thing I really wished I'd had access to when I was starting out.


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RE: A Smart Way to Begin... - 11/15/2008 2:28:05 PM   
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You will get a lot of attention . Try not to be overwhelmed by it.  The cute newcomers usually do.

C-D

I second this.  Can you drag a friend along?

My one-line summary of the public scene: great place to learn, horrible place to date.


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