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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 12:27:37 PM   
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I've been pondering this for a little while. The emergence of more and more technology; all the advancement that has taken place in such a short period of time. Should we try and slow down the process and attempt to live without dependence on computers, medicine etc.? Or should we be moving at the pace we our going? (rhetorical).  The real question is.... Did evolving help or hinder us?  What do you think?

My opinion is this. We never should have evolved to the level we have. I think we have moved past our potential, and into unfamiliar territory (Since around the time of homo erectus). However, I have a hard time imagining what it would be like to live without computers, telephones, etc.

( If this topic has already been done. I don't care....)


We can't slow it down...I think
I like new technologies as it is part of my job.
The down side is..when I look at the youth..they think humans are the pictures on webcams. Playing is with an xbox..not outside.
Talking with friends means chatting or textmessaging.
The human touch slowly fades sometimes

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 12:36:40 PM   
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Yes you are, for I know a few people including myself who have posed questions on here to get another perspective. One of my friends even got her answer to her homework in the first five postings to her thread. And why not, isn't it good that people choose this place and you lot to bounce ideas off, you are so good and most of you do your best in helping others.



Depends on whether learning to think for oneself is a valuable skill.

I can say I've seen the desire for that skill shrink rapidly among college students.

Education, then, is apparently learning to parrot the right people.

Not a great promise for the future.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 12:45:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		After further thought on the subject. The only way we will be worthy as a race is if we are around or smart enough to pass our knowledge to another alien race.

If not we will be like the tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it fall...did it really exist...did we?

In fact without some intelligent race to observe it would the universe itself really exist?...nope

Butch

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 1:56:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I worked as a wilderness guide/therapsist for several years and lived a very primitve exisitence during that time. Not completely, but very. Most of our tools, clothing and supplies were provided via technology (Goretex, fleece, capilene, boots, tents and sleeping bags, cooking pots, food, etc.). We did live in the primitive environments with out heat, running water, electricity etc. Our meals were cooked over open flame and we gathered wood and built fires daily. I expect it was closer to a pioneer or primitve life than most in the states ever see. And yes, I lived this way 10 - 11 months out of the year.

I prefered it. For so many reasons and on so many levels. But the umbillical to "the world" was never completely cut.

I did some gathering of wild plants for food, and did from time to time fish or trap small game (snails are pretty easy to catch, LOL, and escargot was not uncommon) but these things were for me only, and because I had other primary duties besides gathering or hunting such was only a supplement. It would have opened up too much liability if I had shared them with my clients. There are programs that do such, teach survival skills to that level, but I never worked for one.

That is a small view of some of my experiences. To answer more directly the OP question, passing judgment on whether our advancement and reliance on technology is good or bad is moot. The reality is what it is. Overall I just see it as a double edged sword - it cuts both the meat we eat and us.

Alvin Toffler wrote at length about this very issue in his book titled "Future Shock." He likened the experience of culture shock, where one travels to another country or culture and is so out of touch as to be in shock, to the pace at which change occurs in our lives being so fast that we are in a kind of shock from the future itself.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 2:15:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think I gave enough information here because of the answers I'm seeing.  We can't undo what we've already accomplished...I never implied that at all. I don't know how some people were even able to come to that conclusion, as it would take some imaginative skill....(since the questions I asked regarding that were pointed out as being rhetorical). I asked knowing full well what I think on this. Any smart ass answers I skipped over half-way through, so I hope other onlookers were able to appreciate your cleverly composed 'wit'.
Anyone who gave their OPINION on it, and not what is already common knowledge (this is reality, etc. etc. we can't change what we already have). I thank you.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 2:18:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without advances in technology we wouldn't have the wheel, or dishwashers, or washer/dryers, or cars. We wouldn't have MRI's and illness curing medicine, or the kinds of movies we love, or ATM machines, or direct deposit, or forensic techniques that solve crimes and prevent innocent people from incarceration. We wouldn't all be connected here by way of the internet. My guess is that each of these things were feared as they came to pass, and once they passed they were widely appreciated and used.

I'm all for advancements. I find it fascinating to know what we can do. Do we go too far? Perhaps at times, yes. But with every good comes a bit of bad, doesn't it? The question is, are we willing to pay a price for the good? I am.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 2:27:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you. I am a big fan of modern life as I know it. It is beyond me how people could live without the modern medicines/connection to people that we have today. I would give my pinky finger to go back in time and live for a week in a particular time period, just to see how much hell it would have been.  But I also think that we now lack the population stoppers that our race used to have, and it might lead to our inevitable destruction. Which, is not necessarily a bad or good thing.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 2:33:47 PM   
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I agree with you. I am a big fan of modern life as I know it. It is beyond me how people could live without the modern medicines/connection to people that we have today. I would give my pinky finger to go back in time and live for a week in a particular time period, just to see how much hell it would have been.  But I also think that we now lack the population stoppers that our race used to have, and it might lead to our inevitable destruction. Which, is not necessarily a bad or good thing.


I agree, it is not necessarily a good or bad thing. Evolution occurs as evolution occurs. One hopes we progress forward carefully, while knowing that will not always be the case.

I was very close to my grandmother, who died a few years ago just shy of her 97th birthday. She continued to be fascinated by modern technology, and said there was no glamorous nostalgia in the hardships people faced "in the old days." She had a lot to say about that, in fact. I would imagine walking to the outhouse in your PJ's in the middle of the night couldn't have been any fun.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 2:35:01 PM   
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It is beyond me how people could live without the modern medicines/connection to people that we have today.

What you don't have, you don't mis....i guess

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 2:48:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Timesamyth

I've been pondering this for a little while. The emergence of more and more technology; all the advancement that has taken place in such a short period of time. Should we try and slow down the process and attempt to live without dependence on computers, medicine etc.? Or should we be moving at the pace we our going? (rhetorical).  The real question is.... Did evolving help or hinder us?  What do you think?

My opinion is this. We never should have evolved to the level we have. I think we have moved past our potential, and into unfamiliar territory (Since around the time of homo erectus). However, I have a hard time imagining what it would be like to live without computers, telephones, etc.

( If this topic has already been done. I don't care....)

I can't say I wouldn't miss my tech stuff but I'm all for a remote, completely self-reliant, back to basics kinda life. I'd have no problem raising my own food and living solely off of the land by the sweat of my brow.

One of my goals is to have a piece of land in Alaska that's only accessible by plane. Cabin, farm and all.

As for whether or not we have moved past what we were meant to be. If we're here then that may be where we are suppose to be. I do think that it we might be better if we had slowed down a bit.

I just looked at your profile lol.. Your from Alaska


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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 2:51:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read this book once upon a time "Ode to the outhouse." In it (if I remember right) were collections of stories where people voluntarily live/d without the modern bathroom system. Interesting stuff. It will be fun to see what comes about in the next fifty years or so. And how many people in this generation will choose to live w/o the things that pop up.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 3:44:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida


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ORIGINAL: Timesamyth

I agree with you. I am a big fan of modern life as I know it. It is beyond me how people could live without the modern medicines/connection to people that we have today. I would give my pinky finger to go back in time and live for a week in a particular time period, just to see how much hell it would have been.  But I also think that we now lack the population stoppers that our race used to have, and it might lead to our inevitable destruction. Which, is not necessarily a bad or good thing.


I agree, it is not necessarily a good or bad thing. Evolution occurs as evolution occurs. One hopes we progress forward carefully, while knowing that will not always be the case.

I was very close to my grandmother, who died a few years ago just shy of her 97th birthday. She continued to be fascinated by modern technology, and said there was no glamorous nostalgia in the hardships people faced "in the old days." She had a lot to say about that, in fact. I would imagine walking to the outhouse in your PJ's in the middle of the night couldn't have been any fun.



Nueva... it's still not any fun walking to the outhouse in the middle of the night. Timesamyth can probably attest to this as well as I can, given we're both in AK where log cabins without running water or electricity aren't all that uncommon. In fact it seems every time I go on craigslist to peruse housing, quite a number of the listings are for just such cabins.


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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 4:41:18 PM   
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[In fact without some intelligent race to observe it would the universe itself really exist?.../quote]

I don't know, but sure have an urge to ask a fireman or a cop.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 5:24:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timesamyth

I've been pondering this for a little while. The emergence of more and more technology; all the advancement that has taken place in such a short period of time. Should we try and slow down the process and attempt to live without dependence on computers, medicine etc.? Or should we be moving at the pace we our going? (rhetorical).  The real question is.... Did evolving help or hinder us?  What do you think?

My opinion is this. We never should have evolved to the level we have. I think we have moved past our potential, and into unfamiliar territory (Since around the time of homo erectus). However, I have a hard time imagining what it would be like to live without computers, telephones, etc.

( If this topic has already been done. I don't care....)

I can't say I wouldn't miss my tech stuff but I'm all for a remote, completely self-reliant, back to basics kinda life. I'd have no problem raising my own food and living solely off of the land by the sweat of my brow.

One of my goals is to have a piece of land in Alaska that's only accessible by plane. Cabin, farm and all.

As for whether or not we have moved past what we were meant to be. If we're here then that may be where we are suppose to be. I do think that it we might be better if we had slowed down a bit.

I just looked at your profile lol.. Your from Alaska



I'm confused by your use of two phrases in the same post

1) completely self reliant
2) only accesible by plane

I don't see anyway you can rectify those two with each other.

Uncle Nasty

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 6:18:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uncle.. the idea is that it *is* only accessible by plane.. therefore, not likely to have any outside interference.

Thus allowing him to live an entirely self-reliant life without much temptation to venture back into the rest of the world.


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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 6:36:33 PM   
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Uncle.. the idea is that it *is* only accessible by plane.. therefore, not likely to have any outside interference.

Thus allowing him to live an entirely self-reliant life without much temptation to venture back into the rest of the world.



True but if one takes "completely self reliant" literally, then one can not rely on the technologies or pilot of an airplane for transportation. That's why the two statements are incompatible.

And good luck with the outhouse/running water deal! I would imagine that would be a bit of a drag after awhile.

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 7:24:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hah.. if you think I'm staying in a place without running water for anything more than a weekend camping trip, you're out of your mind.

I was merely pointing out that it is still a fairly common thing up here... and trust me, anything requiring you to leave the house in your pajamas when the temperature drops to -60 is... oy, well I am sure you can guess how fun that is.

And, yes, he may have to use a plane to get there in the first place... but the idea behind being entirely self-reliant is that you provide EVERYTHING you need to live.. therefore, he'd have no need  use a plane again once he got there.. thus making the two concepts entirely compatible.

It would be a pretty harsh life in Alaska though.


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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 7:29:46 PM   
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Hah.. if you think I'm staying in a place without running water for anything more than a weekend camping trip, you're out of your mind.


Well I am out of my mind but that's beside the point...

quote:


And, yes, he may have to use a plane to get there in the first place... but the idea behind being entirely self-reliant is that you provide EVERYTHING you need to live.. therefore, he'd have no need  use a plane again once he got there.. thus making the two concepts entirely compatible.




OK, I get it now. I hadn't thought it through like that. Thanks! :)

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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/15/2008 8:18:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I welcome technologies end...and I am being dead serious. My father and grandfather imparted enough knowledge that I could make it. and before you all jump me for saying rope, knife, a spade, and the ability to make fire, I consider such things very primitive things, things our nomadic forefathers would have used.

on the flipside, I want to venture into space. I want to be drifting towards jupiter, propelled by something that would be considered the work of a god or witchcraft hundreds and thousands of years ago.


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RE: Primitive vs. Modern - 11/16/2008 12:20:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Timesamyth

I read this book once upon a time "Ode to the outhouse." In it (if I remember right) were collections of stories where people voluntarily live/d without the modern bathroom system. Interesting stuff. It will be fun to see what comes about in the next fifty years or so. And how many people in this generation will choose to live w/o the things that pop up.


Oh yes..there was even a series about it on tv.
People could do it, but they started to miss their luxery. But I think with out that, they would have handeled well.
In real people would get less old...because of the hard work and deseases. Life expectancy would drop like crazy with out medicine and good heating.
(lol..I wouldn't want to loose my heating)

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