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Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 3:54:41 AM   
HebiDom


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Status: offline 		It is coming up to the holiday season which lead me to think about the fact that I dont do not celebrate cultural holidays for example mothers day and Christmas etc…

This is not just because I am not a Christian, Pagan or Wiccan among others, and im not saying there is anything wrong with the people that are; I have friends involved in all these things.

Although my reasons are not relevant to this discussion it is mainly to do with the fact that I am not a sheep and I won’t follow everything that society tells me is “the way” I have no moral, ethical or religious connection to any of these things and feel that all year should be the season of good will, and every time I see my mother it should be mothers day. 

I think its amazing how when people say that they do something because of there religious or cultural beliefs it is immediately accepted (which with the majority of things it should be) but when you make a stand because you draw a conclusion form logic or even just a gut feeling, people have issue with your choice because it goes against what ‘everyone else does’

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 4:10:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		You just said that people who celebrate or subscribe do so because they are sheep/followers, and yet you seem unhappy about being similarly judged for your disagreeable stance. 
Ever see a group of rebellious people dressed and behaving exactly alike?   
How original can you be in your refusal to shop for or say "happy mother's day?"   M

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 4:26:51 AM   
HebiDom


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Status: offline 		i am not trying to say that people are sheep, i am trying to say that i dont have any reason to celebrate these occasions and so if i did celebrate them it would be becouse i personally would be following the crowd

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 4:32:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is nothing wrong with your choice, just as there is nothing wrong with celebrating them.   I'm sure you know not everyone will agree with your choices in life.   As long as you're not celebrating for a reason you can explain to your significant other, and not just doing it to be cheap and get out of buying flowers/presents, it shouldn't be a problem (I imagine).   M

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 4:44:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I celebrate them because I enjoy them. If I didn't, I would stop. It's simple for me. 

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 5:08:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I only celebrate some, and yes, only because I enjoy them.  The ones that do nothing for me (for one reason or another), go by unnoticed or with me working.    M

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 5:14:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any excuse for a celebration is alright with me!....Make up a few new ones and I'd celebrate them as well!

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 7:44:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because all those things are fun. Really, fun, it's great!!
I loveMothers day, but then I loved my Mother.
I love Christmas day because I love my kids, and it's all about them.
I love Easter because I'm an unredeemed chocoholic
I love Diwali because I'm nuts about Indian food
I love Chinese new year, because of the lion dancers and the food
I love Thanksgiving because Turkey rocks!
I love Samhain because I like pumpkin pie, parkin and girls in robes
I love Russia day because I like vodka
I love Bastille day because I'm wrecked on absinthe for hours
I love the fourth of  July because I like fireworks, bourbon and Americans
I love valentines day because I adore women and empathise with lovers everywhere!
I love VE day because I hate nazis and like spam
I love VJ day because I admire all our veterans
I love Rememberance day because I raise a few glasses to the fallen and donate
I love the Queens Birthdays because I get to get pissed and sing rule Britannia twice a year!
I love Father's day because my kids notice who fucking does everything around here and buy me Betty Page things.
I just love celebrating, I spend a lot of time looking for excuses.
Life should be a party!!!!

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 7:56:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		okay you have no reason to celebrate so I am gathering you have no close family and others that do are sheep for wanting to celebrate with their families......you say you like children ...if you met a slave with children  and decided to make them part of your family ....would you deny them christmas or celebrating mother's day just because you do not want to be a sheep...

for me  these are days to celebrate love through token gifts  which are symbols of love, in my eyes not doing so  would be an act of selfishness  ...  and a gift  does not have to be some commercial bought gift ..it can be a phone call, it can be the offer of doing a task/service, it can be something you create yourself.  

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 8:02:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to scoff at Grandparents' Day, until I became one.

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 8:58:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		i wasnt saying that it was right or wrong to selebrate any of it, i just think its off when people are not acceptent of your choice to not do these things.  its as if you should be locked up for not doing them. 

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 10:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I personally do not like christmas, easter, mothers day etc. People are curious as to why i don't like them but i have yet to find anyone who could not accept i don't like them. Maybe its the company you keep lol.
 
P.s. You're really not doing yourself any favours insinuating people who do enjoy these holidays are sheep.

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 11:23:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		How does your mother feel about you not celebrating Mother's Day? Because it wouldn't be a major problem for you to mail a card or make a phone call and making your stand by deliberately hurting someone else makes you into a not very nice person.

I'm not Christian but he is and his offspring are. So of course I'll put up a small tree and some decorations and have a present for them. That's because I care about them and want them to be happy. It doesn't damage me to do this, and it would damage the relationship to deliberately trample on their feelings.

For me the bottom line is what is the cost of doing or not doing something. The price you pay is the disappointment and resentment you knowingly and deliberately engender in people whom you claim to love about, but not enough to give up your selfishness at all.

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 11:29:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I celebrate the holidays I like...AND I celebrate the holidays those I love like. It makes no difference whether I like them or not...I am doing it for my love ones...I am a giving person...you sound selfish...It may not be true...but would it hurt you to play like you like something for someone else's benefit?

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 1:26:04 PM   
HebiDom


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Status: offline 		as i get to see my mother once a month and i make sure she feels loved and missed when i do see her i feel i can honestly say that she doesnt care about me not doing mothers day. people that know me would never describe me as selfish eather.

however, getting back to the point, why is it that if a person makes a decision not bassed on a cultral or religeous beliefe then they are shunned for it?  how a person gets to that decission is irelevent, there choice should be respected eather way.

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 2:25:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HebiDom

i wasnt saying that it was right or wrong to selebrate any of it, i just think its off when people are not acceptent of your choice to not do these things.  its as if you should be locked up for not doing them. 


I have friends who are Jevoha's Witnesses. They do not celebrate any holidays, including birthdays. I've never seen nor heard of them being treated as though they should be locked up. What does happen, though, is that people who DO celebrate often times can not understand the concept of NOT celebrating, so they end up doing the "Awww, c'mon, it's CHRISTMAS!" comments. Just like when you don't want a serving of desert while everyone else is having one, you are often encouraged to have one anyway. Or a drink. Or anything else.

I think it's because people are uncomfortable with outliers. It doesn't fit comfortably in their boxes and they don't know how to respond to it. I wouldn't let it get to you so much. We all have our weaknesses. We all have our strengths. They don't always line up. Any time you do something outside the norm, someone is going to question it. It comes with the territory. Sure it can be frustrating, but you can take the opportunity to get frustrated or to spread understanding.

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 6:46:20 PM   
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however, getting back to the point, why is it that if a person makes a decision not bassed on a cultral or religeous beliefe then they are shunned for it?  how a person gets to that decission is irelevent, there choice should be respected eather way.


And most have answered your point. They don't see people being judged for not celebrating them. We cant tell you why people YOU are in contact with do it. Why don't you ask them?

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/15/2008 7:24:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

And most have answered your point. They don't see people being judged for not celebrating them. We cant tell you why people YOU are in contact with do it. Why don't you ask them?


Stop being a bully.

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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/16/2008 7:51:37 AM   
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RE: Annual Celebrations - 11/16/2008 8:52:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I was a kid my parents went through a religious phase of thinking, that celebrating religious holidays in a commercial manner was wrong. They felt this in their hearts and explained it to us. Yet they also understood what kids are like. So, rather than hurt us, we had a family party and got gifts on New Years Eve. As screwed up as my parents were, and lousy at parenting in many ways, I've always appreciated the way they handled that.

I don't have any attachment to holidays. No deep religious connection. I feel that the way we celebrate them here in th US is quite disgustingly over commercialized. Most of them I totally blow off. Like Easter, it means nothing to me and we've never celebrated it except to attend a few family dinners. No big deal and a way to spend time with extended family we only got to see a couple times a year. Otherwise, the immediate family gets together on Thanksgiving and over Christmas. Dinner and enjoying time together. We have seriously toned down the gift thing on Christmas. All the other holidays, I ignore.

Never have I felt criticised or looked down upon for my choices. Perhaps it is because I don't make a production of it or try to push my opinions or beliefs on anyone else. I answer questions if asked, but again, I don't preach my feelings, only explain that I don't get too excited about the whole thing. I've never gotten any shit or attitude about it. If anything, envy.

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