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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/16/2008 11:10:51 AM

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The thing about the whole Proposition 8 debate that I find most interesting is that California voted in favor of Obama. The people spoke. Many of the opponents to Prop 8 likely voted for Obama. So the people spoke and that's that... since the people spoke in a manner that those who are against Prop 8 approved of. Then the people spoke again in favor of Prop 8. Suddenly the will of the people is not good enough. What if everyone across the nation who did not vote for Obama rose up and protested against the decision?

I'm not personally for Prop 8. Had I had a voice I would have voted against it. But I do respect the will of the people as I have in the election of Obama, stupid as it may be. Why is the will of the people only okay for these folks if it falls on their side of the fence?

took the words right out of my mouth. Could not have said it better.

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I looked at your profile only to see what your loves and likes were. What if your state or your country decided that your likes and loves are deviant and an amendment was passed, by the people, making them illegal…what would you do? It could happen.

Just follow the law because the majority has spoken… or would you look to the constitution to guarantee your rights.

The majority is not always right or fair.

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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/16/2008 12:31:58 PM

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I mean you have to prove who you are, you have to prove you have citizenship, so why not prove your sexual orientation?

Prop 8 is not about orientation. It's about gender. A gay man and a lesbian woman could marry in California without issue. We could make people prove their gender before getting a marriage license but I don't think we want to go that far. At least I don't want that gig.

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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/16/2008 12:58:37 PM

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The Mormon Church is ironically, one of the main supporters of Prop 8. The vote was a narrow 52 to 48 percentage. The County of Los Angeles, Santa Clara County and the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles have joined in a law-suit contesting Prop 8.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-gaylegal6-2008nov06,0,5471913.story

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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/16/2008 4:59:15 PM

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-metro-prop-8,0,2463893.htmlstory { check this out- plug in a zip code and it brings up all donors. 200 in PA. hmm

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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/16/2008 5:11:49 PM

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-metro-prop-8,0,2463893.htmlstory?appSession=109549779117240&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=1&cpipage=6&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=

300,000.00 $ from 1 donor to support prop 8 came from 1 person in PA! egads. Josephine Templeton from university of pa. argh

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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/17/2008 8:57:39 PM

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The thing about the whole Proposition 8 debate that I find most interesting is that California voted in favor of Obama. The people spoke. Many of the opponents to Prop 8 likely voted for Obama. So the people spoke and that's that... since the people spoke in a manner that those who are against Prop 8 approved of. Then the people spoke again in favor of Prop 8. Suddenly the will of the people is not good enough. What if everyone across the nation who did not vote for Obama rose up and protested against the decision?

I'm not personally for Prop 8. Had I had a voice I would have voted against it. But I do respect the will of the people as I have in the election of Obama, stupid as it may be. Why is the will of the people only okay for these folks if it falls on their side of the fence?

took the words right out of my mouth. Could not have said it better.

P.S. LOVE the signature

I looked at your profile only to see what your loves and likes were. What if your state or your country decided that your likes and loves are deviant and an amendment was passed, by the people, making them illegal…what would you do? It could happen.

Just follow the law because the majority has spoken… or would you look to the constitution to guarantee your rights.

The majority is not always right or fair.

Butch

I absolutly agree with you, in general I feel the majority is hardly ever right, which is why the quote never underestemate the power of stupid people in large groups is so popular. I meant I agree with his reasoning about obama, and that it would be pointless to protest against that decision and that people seem to only accept the choice of the voters if they agree with it.. I am strongly against Prop 8 and I believe love knows no race or gender. I still can't imagine how it is that Cali voted to elect obama, but ban gay marriage. I am large supporter of equal GLaTG rights. I do believe that we should rise up as a nation and fight to stop this discrimination. Not just for Cali but for everywhere. Several other states also voted against same sex marriages on Nov. 4, and I believe each and every one of them was a mistake.

Also, if you read Texas Law, several of my loves and like are, in fact, against the law where I live. And they would have gotten me dishonorably discharged from the military also. And I am very vocal about how silly I think those laws are.

Good point though, and thank you for pointing out that I needed to clarify what I was commenting on.

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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/18/2008 4:37:58 AM

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I dont know why people dont think on this. All one has to do- is -of 1000 benefits- cut 1,2 or 3 of them that gays would not care about- and then call it a civil union. this is about contract law- and seeing how money is going- which is a contract- it has no value other then the contracual outcome of using it.

People should be protesting the extreem looting of the treasury. Protesing hedge funds which are nothing more the cosinos, but with YOUR money. But more then that- since no one goes to jail- the bussinesses and people that did everything right and everything they were supposed to do- now must carry the broken ass of those who gambled in demented folly. so that is most unfair to the real producers of our world.
Again no one goes to jail but gets rewarded.

To big to fail is mute since banks gobble up other banks on YOUR dime- which does not make those banks smaller...so yet another argument that is pure BULL.

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RE: Nov 15th protests 80 citys, prop 8 - 11/18/2008 8:20:02 AM

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No offense to those protesting but shouldn't such energy and time been better spent before the vote?

Maybe these people should get into the lower ranks of political parties and start working their way up to attempt to affect changes.

As some of them are doing, maybe they should let their money talk and only buy from businesses who support their own beliefs -- some groups do this all ready.

Maybe some of these people should just keep going to the court houses and asking to get married and then take things to court repeatedly.

Those are all actions that might affect some changes. I have yet to see strong evidence that mass protesting in the streets does much other than call immediate attention to things. You have to move beyond that.

All change takes time, sometimes it takes decades.

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