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Notanaddict -> safe word (12/20/2005 3:32:46 PM)

did anyone, as a newbie, find it hard to use the safeword? and in what situations?




perfection20005 -> RE: safe word (12/20/2005 4:40:18 PM)

Never be afraid to use your safeword, but only when its needed. Don't over use it.




Notanaddict -> RE: safe word (12/20/2005 4:46:34 PM)

I wouldn't want to overuse it but i think i might find it hard, especially in the beginning..

its like admitting defeat, and i hate that..

I still get suprised thou, things that the mere thought of would freak me out on 6 months ago is now so so "normal".. When I started dating someone a bit kinkier than me and i was talking about dealing with it with one of my good friends I remeber thinking (and saying) "the only thing that freaks me out is that none of this has freaked me out"




ginawithaB -> RE: safe word (12/20/2005 5:03:46 PM)

Yes...as a newbie, or maybe it's just b/c of my personality more than anything...i find it difficult to safeword. I have and I do, but it feels very contrived sometimes, unnatural...and sometimes it feels like I shouldn't. For some people it's no problem, I would suppose, but for some, like me...well, just don't like safewords so much. I know and understand their usefulness and of course I encourage their usage, but I also think any bottom has to be really honest with her/himself as well as with his/her top about whatever issues they may have around the usage of safewords. A safeword isn't safe unless a bottom feels free to use it when needed.

Hope that helps some.

gina




Notanaddict -> RE: safe word (12/20/2005 5:16:52 PM)

yes it does, thank you[:)]

I have trouble showing my weaknesses, although i probably wear them on my sleeve. I like people to think I can handle a lot thou (being bullied, u learn to never, EVER show that it hurts) and I think I would have to be on the brink of breakdown to use a safeword.. but i guess thats the point... But in the beginning, when experiementing with a partner, isn't there something less "severe" than a safeword, to say, "hey, I've had enough, this is great, but no more today.." ?


aaaahhhh its all so much.. my head spinns




Sensualips -> RE: safe word (12/20/2005 6:00:20 PM)

Once I had a hard time safewording. I think it was because I was coughing up blood at the time.

(I am making a joke. I have a weird sense of humor.)




kyraofMists -> RE: safe word (12/20/2005 6:21:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Notanaddict

did anyone, as a newbie, find it hard to use the safeword? and in what situations?



I have never played with safe words.

However, I did not hesitate to let my Lord know that I was being pushed too hard in one play. The play did not stop, but altered. My Lord enjoys pushing his bottoms right to the edge and I find this exhilarating. Most times I find myself wondering why he is stopping so soon.


Knight's kyra




snowgirlsub -> RE: safe word (12/20/2005 6:35:37 PM)


I've only used my safeword once...and that was when a dom hit me way, way too hard.

Snow




fastlane -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 6:58:03 AM)

I have found subs often relunctant to use a safeword, only because they feel they disappoint me. Which is not the case at all.
However, in response to this, I now instruct my sub to use sign language instead.
When flipping me off is the "safe sign" it's amazing how well we now communicate.

Peace, Kevin




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 7:07:31 AM)

Many people find it hard. Some because of what you said- they don't want to appear weak, they don't want to give up.

Some because they will feel guilty, as if they have disappointed the dom. (And some doms WILL make their subs feel guilty about it)

Some because they simply are so into the scene that they don't care about issues going on.

Bottoming is a responsibility, if you accept the responsibility of a safeword, then the top is trusting you to use it as such.




wolffeathers -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 7:14:33 AM)

I have only had one sub safeword, once. Not because we went past limits, but the subs wanted to find those limits.

However, it's not only the subs job to safeword, but the Doms job to make sure that a safe word is NOT needed, by watching reactions, and knowing His/Her subs body language enough to know, hey, I'm getting close to a hard limit.




krikket -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 7:22:22 AM)

When i first began "playing" i found it extremely difficult to safeword. i considered myself a failure if i had to, even though my partner had assured me differently. In order to teach me a very important lesson, he punished for not safewording when i should have during one session. It was nothing dangerous, but something he knew was beyond my limits. It's a lesson i haven't forgottenj since..lol.

cheers
jimini




KnightofMists -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 7:48:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fastlane

I have found subs often relunctant to use a safeword, only because they feel they disappoint me. Which is not the case at all.
However, in response to this, I now instruct my sub to use sign language instead.
When flipping me off is the "safe sign" it's amazing how well we now communicate.

Peace, Kevin


it is rare time that you don't make me laugh




peppermint379 -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 9:32:55 AM)

quote:

I have trouble showing my weaknesses, although i probably wear them on my sleeve. I like people to think I can handle a lot thou (being bullied, u learn to never, EVER show that it hurts) and I think I would have to be on the brink of breakdown to use a safeword.. but i guess thats the point... But in the beginning, when experiementing with a partner, isn't there something less "severe" than a safeword, to say, "hey, I've had enough, this is great, but no more today.." ?




Perhaps you're looking at safewords in the wrong way. They are not an admission of failure or surrender. Safewords are a communication tool. Use wisely, safewords are good for both Dom and submissive.

In this area the safewords used by most Doms and subs are "green" (everything is fine), "yellow" (slow down please), and "red" (something is wrong...or i've had enough). As you can see, there is not just one safeword that stops play, but several that can be used to allow communication between Dom and submissive. Saying how you feel in simple English would work too, but i find that sometimes descriptive words are hard to come by when my mind is clouded with endorphins.....so green, yellow, and red work quite well for me.

Ideally a Dom should be able to read a sub's body language and adjust play to that. In reality, Doms can and do make mistakes. Doms are not always mind readers and seem to appreciate a bit of help from the subs as to how things are going....especially when playing with a new sub.




Archer -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 1:06:35 PM)

It's not uncommon at all for a person to feel they are being weak or something when using their safeword/s. In the past I have avoided that problem with new people by adjusting my own play style to fit that fact, that they might not use their safeword when they needed it. I would tell them that whenever I asked them "what color" they would respond with the color they felt they were at at that moment. Heard green alot and a few yellows but by checking in never had anyone red out of a scene as a newbie.

It does tend to effect the bottoms ability to maintain subspace because you pull them back out a little bit by requireing vocal response and thought, but the price is worth it for me.

In Leather

Archer




shandra -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 4:43:41 PM)

i've only safe worded once, many years ago with a pro domme i'd been lent to
safe words are nessecary unless both parties know each other well and have developed a lot of trust
if youve been given a safe word your domme requires it so use it, its a way she can learn your limits without having you top from the bottom

am wondering though has anyone ever been punished for safe wording?




aurora31 -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 5:09:33 PM)

I find it very dificult to use a safeword to me it is failure so it is a last resort. And even then I tend to try and hold out longer then I should.

aurora




spfdsub -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 6:55:21 PM)

Even though this is a bit off topic there is part of it about safewords that this one thought everyone might like to see.

Be well and be safe,

tristan



Six Thinking Points Before Playing with Someone New

http://gloria-brame.com/domidea/playsafe.htm

COME HITHER: Playing and Staying Safe

1. WHO IS THIS PERSON I AM ABOUT TO PLAY WITH?

Remember what mom and dad told us about talking to strangers when we were kids? Now let's talk about doing SM with them.

The simplest and most basic question of ANY relationship is one which
most newbies never even bother to ask. Many people automatically assume that if they are attending a well-known club or a party organized by a reputable group, all the people they'll meet are trustworthy. BAD ASSUMPTION.

The greatest disasters in SM inevitably occur when the people involved
don't have a very clear knowledge of who the other person is, what that
person's history has been in the world of SM, and whether that person is, in all respects, a trustworthy, decent human being.

We recently heard from a submissive who optimistically joined an SM
friendship group, made some contacts there, and then endured a weekend of nonconsensual torture in the guise of SM on the part of predatory sadists who'd represented themselves as serious, respected dominants.

She naively assumed that if they belonged to this group, and were known
in the group, they were therefore trustworthy. She was wrong. They were
people who exploit the Scene--and naive newcomers--to act out their violent impulses. Although their behavior AT the group's events was quite respectable, once she was alone with them, they displayed their dangerous side.

It is an unfortunate fact that as the Scene expands astronomically,
more and more people will join our clubs and attend our parties who are
positively clueless about conducting their SM relationships in a safe and consensual fashion.

PLEASE REMEMBER: SM and abuse are no more related than intercourse and rape.
The only difference between a dominant who forces you to do things that
upset and terrify you and a criminal is that no one's called the police (yet) on the dominant. Responsible people in the Scene deplore all instances of nonconsensual force.

2. HOW DO I KNOW WHO TO TRUST?

After eleven years of heavy playing in the Scene, I've come to the
personal conclusion that there is simply NO substitute for the tried and true method for ALL romantic relationships. You MUST take the time to get to know the person. If you think you know someone well enough to put your full trust in him or her after a week or two, or after a hot email exchange, you are kidding yourself.

If you're looking for a long-term or permanent relationship, what I
recommend (and implement in my own life) is something I call "D&S Dating." This is not unlike regular dating, in that you spend time doing real-world things together--going to movies, having dinner together, visiting museums, or any other normal, social activity as a couple (or threesome or foursome, or whatever it is you're setting up). The main difference between D&S Dating and regular dating is that instead of having vanilla sex you do SM. As often as possible. :-)

Personally, I give myself about 3-4 months of D&S Dating before making
a commitment to a long-term relationship. I tell a prospective submissive
that during the dating stage, he is still free to experiment with other
people. He doesn't wear my collar and I don't require him to call me Mistress when we're out in public. I still make most decisions (about where we go and what we do and so on) but it's in a natural context. In other words: he sees me in my street clothes and gets to know me as a complete human being, not just a mysterious creature who exists only to fulfill his fantasies.

This cushion of time gives me and my potential partner the opportunity
to see one another in a wide variety of circumstances. If in the course of
dating, I discover that, for example, he tends to lie or fudge the truth about things; that he is generally irresponsible and directionless; that he plays games or blows hot and cold a lot; or any other characteristics which I know will ultimately make him an incompatible partner for me, then the dating ends, and I am not locked into any commitments.

It may seem slow, but the rewards are that by the time I AM ready to
make a commitment to being someone's permanent Mistress, I really know this person. I know how he reacts to situations, I have a sense of his hot-buttons, I know the way his mind works, and--naturally--I have grown quite fond of him.

The benefits this brings to my ability to control and dominate a
submissive simply cannot be measured.

The submissive, meanwhile, has a very firm foundation for placing his
trust in me. While I've observed his behavior, he's observed mine. If he is reassured that I am powerful in my daily life, that I exert control in
the real world, and that I am comfortable giving commands in a variety of situations, his faith in my dominance is secured.

If he is a submissive who is only looking for a bedroom play-partner,
or someone who wears fetish clothes 24 hours a day, he will quickly learn
that I am not the right Mistress for him.

Of course, if all you're looking for are play partners, and not
long-term relationships, the "D&S Dating" rule doesn't apply. But I still
strongly recommend that you do everything you can to find out about who you're playing with.

3. THAT'S SO COMPLICATED! CAN'T I EVER PLAY WITH STRANGERS?

Sure. That's what safe words were created for: to limit the risk of
unintentional harm when playing with strangers.

The real question is not whether you can or cannot play with
strangers--the question is whether YOU are able to make a sane choice for yourself about how much trust you will give up to someone you don't know very well. You must be very careful not to give trust up too freely, particularly if you are the romantic, impulsive type who is likely to become smitten overnight and liable to say almost anything when your sex organ is primed for action (and this is one of those equal-opportunity deals: pussies and pricks are equally suspectible to taking over all thinking functions for the main organism).

Let's put it another way: if a stockbroker came up you to at a party
and said he had a brilliant deal going that could triple your investment in two weeks, would you go to your bank that night and turn over your life savings to him? I hope not. More likely, if you didn't brush him off entirely, you might ask him to send you a brochure or set up an appointment to meet at his office to discuss it further. If you were a big risk-taker, you might even agree to investing a little money just for the gamble. In any case, you wouldn't turn your life-savings over to a guy you just met. You'd want some proof of his reliability and credibility. You'd limit your risk, and take certain safety precautions to protect yourself in case it was a scam.

So why do so many submissives and dominants meet someone in a party or club setting (or on-line) who announces themselves to be the yin to their SM yang and then suddenly make a completephysical and emotional investment in the relationship?

Desperation.

We understand the eagerness to have experience. For some people, the
urge to do SM is indeed overwhelming, particularly if you've been bottling it up for a long time. But the plain fact is that:

THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS IN SM

If you want a quality relationship, you must invest the time and make a
commitment to YOURSELF not to settle nor to jump at any and every
opportunity that comes along. Not all opportunities are equal. Some will lead to significant emotional pain.

4. DOES THIS MEAN I SHOULD NEVER PLAY WITH PEOPLE I JUST MET?

Look, you're an adult. There's nothing wrong with experimenting to your
heart's content. Life is for living and if you are a sadomasochist, you
owe it to yourself to accept and embrace your innate sexuality. Which means you're going to be perverted and slutty and, with luck, you'll have a lot of fun with it.

What I'm saying here is that you should be cautious and protect your
own best interests until you have very good reasons (such as repeated, positive experiences with the person) to give up (or assume) complete control.

5. SO HOW DO I PROTECT MYSELF UNTIL I REALLY KNOW SOMEONE WELL?

Simple: you limit your risk. You do NOT give carte blanche consent to
people you don't know for a significant amount of time (my basic rule of thumb would be three months). Meanwhile, although the network isn't as reliable as it once was, if you met this person at an SM party, club, group meeting, or any other SM venue (including IRC and other on-line environments), you should be able to find at least one and possibly more people who know this person. Ask them for feedback.

There is nothing rude or disrespectful about asking people whether they
know another player or have ever seen them in action. If the person you want to play with (or are already playing with, if it's a brand new
relationship) expresses anger, fear, resentment or any other negative emotions about you talking to others, then you have your first warning that something is fishy.

If your potential partner says any of the following ... RUN:

I don't want you to talk to anyone else about me.
You have no right to ask other people about me.
If I find out that you talked to others about me I'll never have
anything to do with you again.
You should only trust what I tell you and not listen to anyone else.
Yes, what they told you was true, but I am a different person now.
Everything people have told you about me is a lie.
Although I've been in the Scene for a long time, although a lot of
people have seen me play, and although I am well-known as an author of an SM-positive book, I still would not take offense if anyone who wanted
to play with me asked others for references about my trustworthiness.


In SM, a person's first responsibility is to his or her own health and
well-being. I EXPECT new partners to be cautious and encourage them to
make their decisions independently and without pressure from me.


6. BUT WON'T MY SAFE WORD PROTECT ME?

Not necessarily. In the abuse situation mentioned in Question 1, the
submissive was given a safe word. But she was also told that if she
used her safe word, she would be banished from the premises and would never have any contact with the people involved again.

Now, from a distance, you might think that any submissive who is
threatened in this way would have the sense to walk away at that point. IN REALITY, however, I've seldom known a submissive who COULD walk away from such a threat. Quite simply, a submissive is a submissive is a submissive: this is a person who is, by nature, vulnerable and who desires to please; he or she may already feel a kind of bond to the dominant, or may be so hungry to live out his/her fantasies, or so inexperienced that s/he thinks "the dominant always knows best" that s/he would rather suffer a little more than risk losing the relationship or disappointing the dominant.

The most wonderful and endearing characteristics of a submissive (the
desire to serve and please) are precisely the ones which abusers prey on.

Next, consider this: if you don't know your partner well, how can you
be sure this person will stop when you use your safe word? There was a
notorious crime in the SM Scene in New York a few years ago where a male dominant was picking up submissives at gay leather bars, assuring them that he respected limits and granting them safe words. Guess what happened, though, when he had them alone in his apartment?

If you guessed that he ignored their safe words and even made it
impossible for them to speak the words (because he gagged them with duct tape), then you guessed correctly.

Finally, for the sake of dominants who too have gotten burned: please
remember that not all submissives are trustworthy or genuine either.
There are plenty of "do-me" submissives out there (game-players and people who are not seeking a sincere SM dynamic, but merely someone to get them off in the moment and in the way they want to get off). There are newbies who don't have a clue about when and how to use safe words. (My advice: spend the time to make SURE they understand, so you save yourself grief and bitter feelings later on.) Meanwhile, some experienced subs may use safe words to control or manipulate you, rather than to indicate when they've reached a genuine limit.

One of the more troubling situations is when a submissive doesn't use a
safe word when s/he should. This leads the dominant to believe that
everything was hunky-dory--only to discover, hours, days, or months later that the submissive felt you'd gone much too far. Why won't subs use safe words as God intended them to be used? Occasionally it's an overwhelming desire on the part of subs for dominants to be psychic mind-readers. Sometimes it's sheer naivete; other times it's stubborn pride. Some subs set out to prove to themselves that they can take anything the dominant gives, even if they're unhappy about it. This is a dangerous attitude for all concerned.

Subs and doms alike should protect themselves by never letting a safe
word lull you into a sense of complacency. They are a tool to safer play,
but they are not a guarantee of it.

Remember:

PLAY SAFE! STAY SAFE!

And don't let your genitals do the talking when your health is at stake.


Wait! Before you go...
Read Gloria's comments on the line between consensual and abusive SM,
and the statement on domestic violence in the S/M community, by The Domestic Violence Education Project of the National Leather Association . It includes a solid checklist for you to determine whether your SM relationship has overstepped the moral bounds and become domestic violence.




sub4mistressnsir -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 7:09:58 PM)

5+ yrs later.. I still find it hard to safeword (ie. Red)... but Mistress n Sir are helping me through that with lots of support, understanding and communication.
I know now that I can call Red or yellow, for that fact, if need be and they won't be upset at all... they will be proud that I actually used it when I needed to.

edited due to type o's hehe




cravinspankin -> RE: safe word (12/22/2005 11:31:13 PM)

I've only been into BDSM a few months now, but have been fortunate to play about once a week as of late.
I have yet to use my safe word, though i've called "yellow' a time or two, never "red".
However....
I woudl not hesitate to do so if needed.
One of the Doms i scene with is as new to the lifestyle as I am, the other is very experienced.
As the less experienced Dom and I talked and planned to explore and try things new to us, he was particulary concerned he might hurt me in a bad way.
I explained that i want him to play hard... and vowed to him that i would not hesitate to use a safe word if i need to at any time.
It made me realize how very important trust is on Both sides.
I had thought of it mostly from a submissive side.. being able to trust a Dom/Master to adhere to safeword and to hard limits.
But my conversation with this one made me realize how critical it is that tops/Doms/Masters be able to trust the sub to be completely open and honest about what their wants, needs, likes, dislikes, concerns and fears... and to trust that if they are going to far, the submissive will let them know.





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