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Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 7:49:44 AM   
ChainedExistence


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Whether simple or complex, I would guess that most of us practice some form of ritual within our relationships. For me, it serves as means to disconnect myself from the everyday concerns ( how high is the pile of laundry?) to be able to center myself and focus on Master and our relationship. In the midst of the mundane, it is the tie that binds us together. For a long while, we always started with me repeating a line of poetry about my dedication and purpose. I was thinking how we rarely use that anymore, and how we've replaced it with other rituals over the years. Some rituals have remained constant, while others are used for a time then replaced by something else. In this holiday season of family rituals, the topic seems at the forefront of my mind. How do you view your rituals? What is their purpose and which ones do you feel the most passionate about?
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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 7:55:57 AM   
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I'm very much NOT into rituals because I feel I become tied to the ritual itself, rather than the experience/emotions that it should embody.

Rituals are generally used to create or re-create a specific feeling or to commemorate something. They help create a tie between the past and present. They help us remember who we are and what we believe in.

Rituals

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Special Rituals please?

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 8:01:28 AM   
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to me and mine, meditation and an esoteric acceptance of a "more than self" is a necessity. As a Kabbalist and an avid practitioner of Transcendental Meditation I have personally seen amazing changes in people by implementing even the most basic of mental awareness practices.

That along with my likely more structured and absolutist discipline and life plan regimen and healthier living and eating can really bring a 180 to peoples lives.

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 8:02:42 AM   
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rituals

to some degree..yeah.

whenever She comes home from work, i TRY--if She has a chance,..to get Her shoes off, and kiss Her feet hello.
but i do the same thing on weekends,..when She is home...i kiss Her feet in the morning to say hello.
there is not a whole lot else......
everything else---IS..........fly by the seat of your pants kind of days........

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 8:35:52 AM   
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Rituals? Me likey. Especially if its a pleasurable experience. Doing something over and over conditions you to have a special affinity for said ritual, even the objects involved. If I were a domme, it would certainly be in my bag of tricks!

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 9:10:45 AM   
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rituals give me a sense of belonging, something definate to hold onto- a taste of a tradition....they are created together by M/s as somthing that is ours.
itis a symbol of our dynamic as well as our bond to each other

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 9:20:52 AM   
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I see a few differences, rituals versus traditions--we have many holiday and yearly traditions---adding some new ones this year with the loss of My mom--ones we could not do before--

as for rituals, I indeed believe in establishing rituals--these keep the dynamic focused to some degree, provide some framework within which to grow and evolve--I am sure the rituals I start boy with will not be the same ones in a year, but perhaps they will--but he needs to know what I expect--and he needs that kind of structure--actually hungers for it--- the one I am most passionate about are morning and evening greetings--these open and close the day, reaffirming that dynamic, as well as the greeting when one of us returns to the house--another that I insist on is each time I meet and or see a sub, they bring a white rose---(needless to say this isnt for a live in everyday relationship)

subtle things but nonetheless create framework, structure and routine, btw I like the one about the line of poetry, with boy being a distance away, that is something I can do with him--can you contact Me off boards and share the poetry you used?

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 9:40:55 AM   
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Btw, since we are on the topic. For the more esoteric and spiritually diverse, you may find the following rather interesting:

http://www.io.com/~ambrosio/manners/smritual.html
http://www.sexuality.org/l/bdsm/masasp.html

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 9:43:39 AM   
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these open and close the day,
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did i mention i kiss Her forehead every night,..when i say good night,...after i massage Her back...and sometimes Her legs........



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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 10:42:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChainedExistence

How do you view your rituals? What is their purpose and which ones do you feel the most passionate about?

For me personally, I have little need for rituals. That is I don't feel the need to ritual in regards to what I do, or what I want to do, etc. That even extends to collaring rituals, personally I just don't feel any particular need for them. However, I would say most of the submissive's I've know do feel a need for rituals, especially when it comes to collaring. The upshot of all this being that while I don't have a lot of use personally for rituals, I do find them to be a useful tool in training slaves and so I do use them.

Rituals as a training device can be very useful. To get anyone to do anything, you have to be able to motivate them. Any tool or method that helps increase the level of motivation will prove useful. Fear is a very common method of this, its direct and almost universally effective, but it can have unfortunate consequences and if taken to extremes or done maliciously it can lead to abuse. So its good to have other methods as options.

Human behavior, Nietzsche observed, was generally motivated by either seeking pleasure or avoiding pain. That is, in life we tend to either be seeking something we want or avoiding something we don't want in virtually everything we do. We react strongly to things with direct, immediate consequences; whether that be an immediate reward, or an immediate pain. But there are also things which have indirect or delayed consequences. For example, you go to work and work all week, but it isn't til the end of the week (or the end of the month) that you get paid. Your reward for your effort is a delayed consequence. Generally, the longer a consequence is delayed, or the more indirect it is, the less effective it is as a motivation. Try to imagine who motivated you would be to go to work if you would have to wait til the end of the year to get paid, hard to get motivated about that idea isn't it.

This is where rituals come in. A ritual can be a way of creating a direct consequence for a situation where the consequence might otherwise be delayed or indirect. Rituals do this by first giving an activity a context. For example, which seems makes more sense... telling a submissive to kneel before entering a room her master is in... or creating a submissive ritual where the submissive always kneels briefly asking to enter before entering any room her master is in. The ritual gives the task context, it links it to being submissive, that the action is a way of showing submission. In doing so the ritual also adds purpose to the action, its no longer simply kneeling because "I said so", but now kneeling because "this is one small way a submissive shows her submission to her master, a simple show of respect and a reminder she has submitted to his authority." Since the submissive wants to be found pleasing, and the ritual creates a purposeful way in which she can do this, it presents a direct way of gaining that "reward." This is particularly true when time is spent creating and enforcing this ritual til it becomes a habit. The effort makes clear that this is important to master, therefore in the submissive's mind, doing it will please him. When the same task is given simply as a command, the submissive may feel uncertain as to whether they are really being pleasing, the reward may be too indirect or too delayed to be effective in motivating them towards the desired behavior.

One of the reasons I have felt Gor has become so popular with so many submissives is that it is heavy with ritual. That accidental circumstance created something that was very appealing because it created an environment with many direct consequences. Yet you do not have to be Gorean to use ritual. Anyone can create all the rituals they might need with a little imagination. Virtually any task that is to be done as part of a routine can be turned into a ritual and it can be a training technique worth experimenting with.

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 12:05:19 PM   
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There are certain rituals I enjoy. Like having a cup of tea before bed. But I don't like bringing ritual into my sex life or power exchange. I think it allows things to become too automatic and can siphen passion away.

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 12:16:10 PM   
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I think people are blurring the lines here with using the word ritual in place of tradition, habit, practice, pattern and downright obsessive compulsiveness.

A rite or ritual is normally far more of a solitary or significant thing than something like which I believe alot of people are inserting this word into for context.

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RE: Purpose of Ritual and Types - 12/22/2005 12:22:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

these open and close the day,
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did i mention i kiss Her forehead every night,..when i say good night,...after i massage Her back...and sometimes Her legs........




We do similar things.

Our special ritual is that Fox removes my shoes and sock, rubs my feet, kisses them, we hug and he tucks me into bed. Between all of this we can take the time (if wanted or needed) to touch base about anything "scene" specific. In general after six year though we flow pretty smoothly. This ritual regrounds us each evening.

In the mornings because he runs off to work we just say good morning, he gives me a hug and kissed my hand then takes off.

Of course during the entire he is at home we are in our set-up relationship -- I am always "mistress" and never "TammyJo" unless there is a problem, he always checks on me to see if I need anything, and he comes at a moment's notice if I call him.

Its very simple stuff for us really but what matters most is that it has value and is affirming to us both.


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