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Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Might Ke... - 11/21/2008 5:23:18 PM   
celticlord2112


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Yet another reason the withdrawal timetable was never realistic in the first place.


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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 5:44:50 PM   
toledotpeslave


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Status: offline 		Very interesting article.

Maybe the best way to leave Iraq is to drive all that equipment east to chase the Taliban. Of course, that would involve going through Iran, just saying.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 7:19:20 PM   
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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 7:29:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		you mean the quality cheap junk like one would find at walmart, etc.  



Im sure they would prefer we take our waste with us -as we exit.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 7:49:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		CL, I sort of took you as the republican type. I am aware you are not fond of Obama and neither am I as with any democrat. However if you were trying to point out Obama's folly, not being realistic, you have pointed out Bush's folly in trump. I will fully admit that Obama should have done some research on this before laying out timetables of any sort. Chalk it up as big mistake number one, I agree.

Running for President that is his job, but not mine. Therefore I had not really thought about this angle of it all. It took a long time for the stuff to get there and it is not coming back by getting Uhaul's absolute biggest truck.

Let them have some of it. Sound absurd ? Think about people moving, some are evicted. Moving into smaller places sometimes they will leave things behind. Some might leave their couch, or a piano, or who knows what else. They prioritize and make sure they get what they want and need and will leave the rest.

It is obvious to the brained that we want our military equipment out of there, the high powered and high tech stuff at least. Some of the more "reasonable" weapons could be sold to the Iraqi government. Kinda like someone who has to move having a garage sale. Other things could be sold as well. I say we just give them the icecream machine as a perk.

In the green zone there is an infrastrucure that rivals some places in Iraq prior to the invasion. Perhaps we can make a deal. Also some of these things could be sold to places alot closer to Iraq.

Just a thought, from someone who has been evicted a long time ago. Too many parties, no amount of money would make them let me stay there, so off I went. Not a problem.

But then, proceeds from the sales could help defray the cost of bringing home what we need to bring home.

In my opinion (notice I spelled that out) this is the way they should be thinking right now. We are so broke that it takes the light from broke twelve minutes to reach us. Also another point to consider, not having to maintain all this stuff.

They have also created another problem, when all those people come home, where are they going to get jobs ?

Damnned if you do, damnned if you don't and damnned if you don't decide to or not. Thanks alot Bush.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 8:48:53 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		cheer up.   Royal Shell got a 25 year contract.

Israel got a few years of  the US banging its chest.

the evangelicals are closer to the rapture.

The ruling globalists are placing our country into a 3rd world status.

The gold at fort knox does not exist- this is why we can not go on the gold standard.

the country has been ran into the gutter.

this is the plan to bring Suadi Arabia down as well.

6-12 months Lindsey WILLIAMS says.... before all hell breaks loose.

OR on the other hand- dont worry- the sun will rise in the morning.



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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 9:25:18 PM   
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Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Might Keep Us in Iraq

Yet another reason the withdrawal timetable was never realistic in the first place.



No, yet another reason we should never have attacked that pathetic little country in the first place.

And no excuse for staying, any more than withdrawal symptoms are an excuse to keep using crank.

Bush, McCain, and their neocon buddies are an obscenity against Conservatism. They are the antithesis of Reagan, in fact they are more Liberal than most Democrats, advocating Big Government and Big Brotherment solutions to every problem they face, however much they spew faux-capitalist codewords.

Actual Republicans need to take back their parties from these ex-Marxist thugs.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 9:51:14 PM   
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Big Brotherment


Well, that's a new one for Me!  I kind of like it! 
I guess I am not as well read as I should be?  Or is that a KAZVorpalism?
Welcome to the forums.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/21/2008 11:18:47 PM   
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No, yet another reason we should never have attacked that pathetic little country in the first place.

And no excuse for staying, any more than withdrawal symptoms are an excuse to keep using crank.

Bush, McCain, and their neocon buddies are an obscenity against Conservatism. They are the antithesis of Reagan, in fact they are more Liberal than most Democrats, advocating Big Government and Big Brotherment solutions to every problem they face, however much they spew faux-capitalist codewords.

Actual Republicans need to take back their parties from these ex-Marxist thugs.

Well said and something I've echoed on here many times!
        


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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 4:58:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a question I would like to ask ;

What is it with all this 'gate' stuff, what do you mean when ou say gate as in profli-gate ?

We hear it so often from the US, but am confused as to what it means and why you use it.


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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 7:35:13 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		An I took it to mean that prolifigate (n) is that which proliferates (v). At first I thought it was a misspelling, but I didn't think it important enough to go running to a dictionary.

So nobody wants to comment on my idea, sell the stuff from where it sits. Of course we keep the best toys, but think of it, we can actually export something for a change.

Other than death, destruction and misery that is.

T

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 7:43:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Just a question I would like to ask ;

What is it with all this 'gate' stuff, what do you mean when ou say gate as in profli-gate ?

We hear it so often from the US, but am confused as to what it means and why you use it.



I often wonder that too....The first one I remember was watergate and at the time I didn't think much about the name. Now that so many other "gates" have been brought up, that it has me curious.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 8:00:04 AM   
Termyn8or


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p r o f l i g a t e

I might just have to look that up somewhere. Where's my wiki whistle ?

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[edit] Adjective
profligate (comparative more profligate, superlative most profligate)





Positive
profligate


Comparative
more profligate


Superlative
most profligate
  1. Inclined to waste resources or behave extravagantly.
  2. Overthrown; beaten; conquered, especially by vice.


[edit] Synonyms


[edit] Noun





Singular
profligate


Plural
profligatesprofligate (plural profligates)
  1. An abandoned person; one openly and shamelessly vicious; a dissolute person.
  2. An overly wasteful or extravagant individual.

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Damn, that's the second time I've been wrong this year and it's only November.

T 

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 8:11:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		water -gate, iran-gate etc, wtf ?

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 10:48:27 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		How about a new one - PROFITGATE.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 10:58:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I understand the question the numerous "gates" have simply borrowed from the Watergate Hotel break in of the early 70's. Put gate on the end of it and you've gotten an easily recognized context - that of scandal.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 11:07:40 AM   
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water -gate, iran-gate etc, wtf ?


This is where doing your actual learning/research instead of pasting together Internet snippets illustrates the difference between scamming a degree and getting an education.

Open a book. Read a newspaper. Go to class on occasion.

There's a slim chance you don't know more than everyone who's come before.




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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 11:18:27 AM   
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Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Might Keep Us in Iraq

Yet another reason the withdrawal timetable was never realistic in the first place.



It's not really telling us anything new. American tactics in war are to smash the enemy with overwhelming force. That requires a lot of equipement and back up.

However, there is a difference between disengaging and remaining engaged in Iraq while the American presence is dismantled.

The one fly in the ointment is that Iraq might disintegrate before all Americans can get out, that is always going to be a problem no matter when withdrawal happens.

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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 11:22:05 AM   
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And no excuse for staying, any more than withdrawal symptoms are an excuse to keep using crank.

I do not say we should stay.  I do say that the rapid withdrawal timetable advocated by some was never anything but a pipe dream.


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RE: Too Much Stuff: How Our Profligate Consumerism Migh... - 11/22/2008 11:28:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey hey, don't you know, I read my world affairs from places like this, where I get to read the thoughts of people just like myself on how they see what is happening to our world. I see something of interest and it interests me that much, I seek my own information from many varied sources.

Interestingly or not, prior to becoming involved in these forums, I knew very little about the American people aside from the fact they have big grins, a mouth full of shiny braced teeth and say have a nice day  a lot, the stereotype I grew up with. Now I know you lot over the pond are just the same as ourselves, we are very alike.

As it is, my involvement with you lot has made me feel I have more in common  with the American people than say any of the European people, we are part of Europe, but it does'nt feel it.


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