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foxglove716 -> knowing your role (12/22/2005 7:18:28 PM)

I was thinking about the so called dominant or submissive roles... and I was just thinking what if it were just a uniform? That the truely creative doms and subs think outside of that box while the sheep are herded into it? Its just a thought... I had better stop now before I say something that will get me labled "not submissive" [;)]




sub4hire -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 8:15:05 PM)

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I was just thinking what if it were just a uniform? That the truely creative doms and subs think outside of that box while the sheep are herded into it? Its just a thought... I had better stop now before I say something that will get me labled "not submissive


Life is a herd of sheep. People following people everywhere.

Does it matter if anyone labels you as less submissive? What one labels you the other see's you as an independant thinker with intellect.




Elegant -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 8:27:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: foxglove716

I was thinking about the so called dominant or submissive roles... and I was just thinking what if it were just a uniform? That the truely creative doms and subs think outside of that box while the sheep are herded into it? Its just a thought... I had better stop now before I say something that will get me labled "not submissive" [;)]


I could never be labeled 'not submissive'. I 'submit' to Master Archer but I am a slave with a dominant personality.

Parkerhouse People...those who play 'roles'...<i>grin</i>




thetammyjo -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 8:34:08 PM)

Oh, dear, I thrive on not be a stereotypical female dominant in so many ways.

Someone wants to shove me into some 'dom box' best be prepared to get that box kicked out and into pieces.

There are only two groups of people I care about seeing me as a dominant: me and anyone kneeling at my feet or calling me Mistress.




OscarHargraves -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 8:48:10 PM)

Interesting idea..........

I don't ever see me fitting into any 'box' that someone else has defined. I am what I am. This group would refer to me as a Dom. Some of the other people I know would probably call me a pervert, and I'm sure my grandmother would have called me a Cad (or worse) for what I do to a Sub. It doesn't change who I am, it's just the label.




FangsNfeet -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 9:46:50 PM)

Whatever floats the boat. Everyone and couple are better off knowing what works for them and sticking to it for the most part. The important part is that you and your other are happy. Your happiness is more important than what some others may think about you and your relationship.




truesub4u -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 10:54:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: foxglove716

I had better stop now before I say something that will get me labled "not submissive" [;)]


Think all you want. Voice what you want. Ask more of what you do not understand. And welcome to my world. I've been labeled a few times as not submissive. Hell i'm still here doing my thing. Making my Master happy with the things I have learned. And things i've posted here with my questions on things. My Master reads and is able to talk to me as well. So all though I get advice from here, and opinions. I think on them, talk to Master about them. And we go from there.

Being labeled is just another means of someone trying to break you. Stand tall, stand proud and let it go.




Focus50 -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 11:44:41 PM)

Unfortunately, much of the terminology used within the lifestyle is borrowed or adapted from elsewhere and some of it is inadequate, to say the least.

And "role" is a pet hate of mine.... Actors play roles; they choose them, they pretend etc and I find it insulting in that context.

But being a realist, I'm afraid I can't offer a better alternative. So I adapt, too! I'm not insulted when other lifestylers speak about roles because it's a recognised language (and shortcoming) but I can get a tad prickly when outsiders to the lifestyle start talking in terms of what role to "adopt"!

At the end of the day, it's really just a word or label for communication purposes; most of us non lawyers know what is generally meant....

Focus.




candystripper -> RE: knowing your role (12/22/2005 11:58:32 PM)

i agree with Focus; i am a submissive but it would be a huge mistake to lump all subbies together and ascribe some charcater trait to us. It's just my way of telegraphing to the CM community that i want a relationship with a Dom or Master. (A particular one, of course.)

candystripper




ShiftedJewel -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 2:38:00 AM)

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And "role" is a pet hate of mine.... Actors play roles; they choose them, they pretend etc and I find it insulting in that context.


Personally, I prefer "orientation"... My orientation is Dominant, my "role" is housewife... only because I play that part in our relationship (not very well mind you...my only domestic quality is that I live in a house... lol).

Jewel (I'm back!!)




gbgirlz2003 -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 3:25:02 AM)

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It's just my way of telegraphing to the CM community that i want a relationship with a Dom or Master. (A particular one, of course.)


I am curious...have you told the dominant that you have an interest in him?

FYI, I am a submissive slut. But I am only submissive to Master and a slut to whomever he chooses.




sunshine333 -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 3:57:51 AM)

foxglove ... i don't think i understand your question. (of course, it's early and i haven't finished my tea yet.)

do you think you can give examples of what you mean by creatively thinking outside the box ... in terms of dominance and submission?

thanks,
sunshine




sweetpettjenny -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 4:20:45 AM)

Well ..myself i am veryyyy Dominant in the work place, and i march to my own drum, but that doesn't mean i am not submissive in most other ways, my heart is just about at the point of release for me with my new Dominant . He will see a change in power exchange because im falling for him , which in turn makes me submitting to him so much easier, and done with love. I find when you build feelings submission comes from deep within and it is soo much stronger.




fldrkhorse -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 4:53:50 AM)

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What one labels you the other see's you as an independant thinker with intellect.


and beautiful.




LadiesBladewing -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 5:23:31 AM)

I think that this is one of the concepts that sort of fell by the wayside when "classical" leather training fell away for much of the community. The classically-trained Master got there by submitting and learning, and working hir way up the ladder, until xhe earned hir leathers.

In the same way, in many other walks of life, it is common to yield oneself within the community, to ones who have walked the road before and who have experience there, and submit to learning before taking off an leading... then, eventually, taking on the responsibility to -teach- those who are coming in fresh to yield and to learn.

I think that human beings are infinitely flexible. I can tell you that I would -never- have considered myself a "submissive" person before I came to study in the monastary. In fact, I never backed down to anyone, and often "bit off my own nose to spite my face", rather than giving in to anyone else's idea of what I should and shouln't do. The cost of doing so was amazingly high -- many things that I might have as resources now, and many people that I might have been able to call on as friends became "burned bridges" to my inflexible attitudes.

Do I regret having had classical training, both in life and in the "lifestyle"? No. I think that it has shown me how flexible I can be, and opened me up to see an innate wisdom in people, even when they don't express it well. It has given me options, and helped me to learn how to pick my battles for the greatest positive movement for everyone involved. I think it has made me a better owner, and a better matriarch.

I tell people that their time with us will shape them. We don't -know- yet what it will shape them into, but -I- know that if they apply themselves, giving their whole hearts to the training even when it isn't what they think they would like, or what "turns them on", and even when it seems harder or more boring, or more menial, or less "sexy" than they imagined, they will really -like- the person who comes out of it.

Some of the people who train with us don't -stay- servants with us. Some of them pick up a life where they lead and the people that they lead flourish under their leadership. Other people find that they -live- to serve, and that living -in- service is all they can imagine for their lives.

I listen to people say that they are "naturally" one thing or another... and truthfully, at one point in my life, I said the same thing myself. I think this idea limits us, though. If it is true that we are bound by what we think we are born as, it limits our flexibility (adaptability) in the world. Honestly, most of the people who have come to us to begin service have been really -strong- people. Many of them would -never- have been taken for "submissive" in the outside world. This is a mark of our capacity to adapt, and while they may not have been -happy- about the adaptation they had to make, and it may not have seemed fulfilling, the truth is, we all have a bit of everything in us, and it is our mind, heart and spirit that determine how fully we allow ourselves to stretch to see just exactly what we can become. In the end, I believe that the more resilient and more versatile we are, the more fulfilled we will be as people.

Lady Zephyr
quote:

ORIGINAL: foxglove716

I was thinking about the so called dominant or submissive roles... and I was just thinking what if it were just a uniform? That the truely creative doms and subs think outside of that box while the sheep are herded into it? Its just a thought... I had better stop now before I say something that will get me labled "not submissive" [;)]




wolffeathers -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 7:55:47 AM)

Our roles are differnt in differnt walks of life.

To my slave, I am the Master.

To my boss, I am the slave (soon, I will be the boss..heh heh heh).

See how that works?

However, I could care less if someone here, or anywhere, says I'm not dominate enough.

The only person I want to see me dominate is my slave.

However, on the flip side, if she does not see me being dominate to others, she loses that respect.

Your amount of submissiveness will depend on the person/situation.

Not on the "lable" you or others have given you.





ImpGrrl -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 8:00:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50

And "role" is a pet hate of mine.... Actors play roles; they choose them, they pretend etc and I find it insulting in that context.[/color][/font]


To me it depends on how it's used.

"Relational role" is, to me, 100% correct - it's what it is. My role in our relationship is x. Your role is y.

However, we also don't "play" at these relational roles. It's what/where we are.

And "role-play" is something different again :)






truesub4u -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 10:51:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sweetpettjenny

Well ..myself i am veryyyy Dominant in the work place, and i march to my own drum, but that doesn't mean i am not submissive in most other ways, my heart is just about at the point of release for me with my new Dominant . He will see a change in power exchange because im falling for him , which in turn makes me submitting to him so much easier, and done with love. I find when you build feelings submission comes from deep within and it is soo much stronger.



Oh I so much love this response. And I could not of said it better.




fyreredsub -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 4:22:04 PM)

Fangs, i had to do a double take, you sounded like Master [;)] i got the warm fuzzies...

quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Whatever floats the boat. Everyone and couple are better off knowing what works for them and sticking to it for the most part. The important part is that you and your other are happy. Your happiness is more important than what some others may think about you and your relationship.





classykindasassy -> RE: knowing your role (12/23/2005 7:08:17 PM)

I too echo what SweetPett Jenny had to say, and have this to add:

Just as submissives are as different as snowflakes, so are all the Doms out there - from the vicious to the very loving and caring. Where some you may not be a fit for or them for you, some you will be perfect for and them for you. Style and taste are just a matter of personal preference and natural qualities, and then those qualities we seek to develop whatever reason.

My current dom commented that "I did not seem submissive". He just had not given time a chance to show how I am. And he may yet find that my style is not for him. Well see how it goes.

Best of fortune to you




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