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celticlord2112 -> Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 6:30:08 AM)
Hillary plays hardball So instead of a "third Bush term" are we seeing a "third Clinton term"? Serious question: Why is Hillary getting so much consideration here?

pahunkboy -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 6:33:01 AM)
CL, she is good for the job. Being that we threw Ron Paul under the train, we get what we deserve.

pahunkboy -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 6:36:27 AM)
In a way Obama had to appoint hillary. 1. she would be anyones shot list VP. 2. she is one thre world "un-associates" with bush. something we need- , tho it likley is too late.

slvemike4u -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 6:44:13 AM)
CL,18 million votes would be the short answer to your "serious question". As to why she is playing "hardball",I thought the link itself gave evidence enough in the person of Colin Powell.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 6:50:45 AM)
Poor Mr Craig it seems loyalty is never rewarded in politics, I didn't know that.[:D] Fascinating this manoeuvring that goes on behind the scenes, I wonder who the source is.

pahunkboy -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 6:53:05 AM)
CL, where would you put her? she obviously is not going to simply go away. so where would she fit that would shut her up, and serve the country, with help or the least amount of damage to the country? the same question could apply to Sara Palin. (please -enough sara bashing, !!!)

SilverMark -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 6:56:51 AM)
As head of the Department wouldn't it be part of her prerogative to select who she works with in some cases? Understanding that Obama has the right to appoint some she may not be so fond of? The appointments are far from over and this seems to be a bit speculative. As for being given so much consideration, he asked her to take the job, to my knowledge she didn't seek the position prior to Obama's people approaching her. I have in years past accepted positions with the understanding that a number of the people who would work with me would be brought in and may not be those who may have held the positions prior to my acceptance. As for the 3rd Clinton term, you really wouldn't want a completely neophyte administration would you? In Washington, those that are familiar with the inner workings seem to succeed better than those who don't. (See the Carter Administration) Change can come from those with knowledge of exactly how the system works as opposed to a much larger learning curve for those who do not. Obama will still set the policies to be followed and those who work for his Administration will have to follow his lead.

pahunkboy -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:04:22 AM)
if Obama picked all new people- then others would say- no one in the administration has any experience. !!! he must pick people with experience being that he has very little. ild be afraid if all kinds of unqualified were picked. furthermore....there is no proof that obama is NOT bushes 3rd term. the globalists call the shots- not the prez. the ubber-billionaires set policy, make the laws and build the jails. not you or I. so hold your chin up and hope for the best. people- are not hungry enough to burn down watts again...well not at this moment...

celticlord2112 -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:05:33 AM)
quote: CL,18 million votes would be the short answer to your "serious question". What does her vote tally in the primaries have to do with her getting Secretary of State? There's no denying she is a forceful, able, competent politician. New York likes the job she has done as their junior Senator, which is why they re-elected her. But popularity and political power bases do not, of themselves, translate into an effective interlocutor of American foreign policy. Hillary failed to win the primaries in large part because her claims of foreign policy expertise were largely exposed as illusory at best, fraudulent at worst--and if she lacks that expertise why is she a good fit for Secretary of State? 18 million votes in the primaries do not answer the question: why does she even have a position from which to negotiate?

celticlord2112 -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:07:14 AM)
quote: CL, where would you put her? Nowhere. I would leave her in the Senate, where, in the final analysis, she is merely the junior Senator from New York.

slvemike4u -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:12:04 AM)
!8 million votes suggests she is a force one would rather have in the administration,rather than outside the administration.As to exposure of her lack of credentials during the primaries....that was then,this is now. Hell she ran commercials suggesting PE Obama would be unprepared for a 3 a.m. phone call,these things are said during primary season and largely(hopefully?) forgotten after the election.In addition the 18 million votes lends her a certain "gravitas",a helpful commodity in the position she will occupy.

pahunkboy -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:15:52 AM)
CL, yes, but todays world is a 24 hour infomercial, the masses know the images of the dem campaign, as run-on as it was- the images stick in the mind. every day. there was like 10 secs on teh GOP, and 2 mins on dems. cheering people- the blue pant suit- the face- bold smile a woman of the hour- all of which alligns with her visits to 30+ countries....and in the news with the 8 years of clinton. the masses know her face, her voice, from a public person aspect- her in that posistion is spot on. dont foget all the puppets still have their masters. if you are still stuck in the left right paradyme, my condolances. we are ruled by the globalists. when we go back to states rights- then ild concede that. the urgent peril is that bushes stealthing of the exec branch power, no checks and balances, now carries over. all these new laws too..will morgh into tyrany. you have been duped. by you, I mean anyone who voted D or R. Obama/pelosi does not equal "CHANGE". it means more gobalism.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:31:11 AM)
quote: As to exposure of her lack of credentials during the primaries....that was then,this is now. So now that the election is over she is magically transformed into a foreign policy expert? Or are we now supposed to be believing of her stories of sniper fire and personal bravery at the behest of her husband?

slvemike4u -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:36:20 AM)
Sure CL,keep holding on to primary rhetoric...it would appear though that the actual players(re:Hillary and Obama/Biden) have moved on.She exaggerated her experience...they minimized it.The truth is somewhere in the middle,she did have foreign diplomacy experience as a first lady though not as much as she claimed.Again the primaries are over the business of governing is at hand...and this is a good selection.She will be viewed as a serious player on the world stage and will be effective in this post.

MzMia -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:36:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Hillary plays hardball So instead of a "third Bush term" are we seeing a "third Clinton term"? Serious question: Why is Hillary getting so much consideration here? IF anyone believed most of what President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney said, then they really should not question much of anything our NEXT administration says or does. After 8 years of President George Bush/Vice President Cheney, many would WELCOME a 3rd term with Hillary and Bill Clinton. I was hoping we could give Bill Clinton a cabinet position also. OH! I forget he will be working with his wife! If you don't think those two will be working together, you need to get your head examined.[:D] If you don't like what is coming {CHANGE} you might want to get your passport now. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

celticlord2112 -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:45:28 AM)
quote: Sure CL,keep holding on to primary rhetoric.. You mentioned the primaries, Mike, not me. Her credentials, her background, her resume, are not those of a foreign policy expert, and are not those that suggest she is well prepared--not just intellectually but experientially--to succeed as Secretary of State. Nor is that my isolated opinion. If she does not have the credentials to make her an obvious fit for Secretary of State, how is it that she has a position of leverage from which she can play hardball on her "terms" for accepting the position? If you want to argue that she does have the credentials, and that thus playing hardball is fitting, would you care to elaborate those credentials or otherwise justify her position of leverage? Frankly, I don't see that she does (or should have) such a position.

slvemike4u -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:51:28 AM)
And yet you were comfortable with Palin as VP.....priceless.

MzMia -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:57:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u And yet you were comfortable with Palin as VP.....priceless. hahahahahahahahaha When I look out of my window, I can see Palin t.v. coming. She might even get her own t.v. channel.

TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 7:59:12 AM)
I like it. It's a good "put up or shut up" position for her. She wanted to make PE Obama's lack of foreign policy experience an issue, now she gets to cover that for him. Of course, it is another knife in the back of the anti-war bundle, (who don't seem to be getting any media exposure at all these days), but since that was a major disagreement I had with his campaign positions, I'm ok with that. He had to do something with her. She is a person who willing to place her own ambition above the good of the country, and she's a grudge-holding, vindictive bitch. The latter trait is something I want in a negotiator, and the first holds out the hope that she and/or her husband will get caught with a hand in that oh-so tempting cookie jar, and vanish into obscurity, in scandal and disgrace. She might even be good at it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Hillary plays hardball (11/23/2008 8:26:31 AM)
She can't be worse than Al Haig. One positive here---she's an agent of the Administration. She doesn't herself set policy. And she can be fired if she has a problem with that.

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