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The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 12:22:46 PM   
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The Psychology of Pain

I strongly feel it is very possible to have a sadomasochistic experience completely without physical pain, one in which domination-submission is acknowledged in other ways; this is can be referred to as psychological pain. This can consist of such feelings as uncertainty, apprehension, shame, embarrassment, humiliation, powerlessness, and above all, fear. The most common component of SM mental pain is, of course, humiliation, where the dominant embarrasses the submissive by pointing out his or her helplessness. Example: Subs may be humiliated by being made to lick their dominant's boots or kiss the dominant's buttocks. I know that female dominants sometimes demean their male subs by forcing them to wear female clothing, or by giving them tasks or chores to do which. Of course, raises the specter of misbehaving or necessitating punishment that it is very important that none of the concepts being utilized here are of a malicious nature, but they are strictly consensual.
Psychological pain is probably the most subjective area of sadomasochistic play, for I believe it is truly in the mind of the beholder, as the concept of beauty vs. ugly. The subjectivity exists because what humiliates, intimidates, or embarrasses us, what makes us fearful, may not affect us in the least. And vice versa. Also, what is humiliating one evening might not seem that way the next time we do the same thing, just as something that hurts tonight may not even, under different circumstances, hurt tomorrow. Being told to stay on one's knees in a corner of a room during a party would be humiliating to some people and just boring to others. I feel that being naked in a room filled with fully dressed people, who I might add is an experience known to most subs, can be quite a humiliating experience, thus creating feelings of exposure and vulnerability. While there is an element of humiliation that is inherent in the dominant-submissive relationship itself, in that the focus is on the vulnerability of the submissive and the intimacy of the dominant's power and control, there are, in addition, other types of humiliation play.
Pride and self-esteem are essentially two character facets upon which humiliation play impacts and both qualities can be diminished during such play. Since pride and self-esteem are such integral parts of what makes us who we are, it is vitally important to show the caring and loving feelings that exist between us. Playing this way both before and after such a scene, thus allowing a nurturing, a healing, and a return to the equal status between our partners and us. Being able to handle humiliation is often a sign of the strength of character that a sub who participates in such heavy, extreme scenes. I submit that one must be certain of one's own personal strengths to come out the other end of humiliation play with his or her character intact, and also, one must be sure, too, of the respect one's dominant has for them. I strongly emphasize that if this crucial knowledge is missing, humiliation scenes become real turn-offs. Fear and teasing are two more aspects of mental pain, and both are issues that require a great deal of trust between partners when they come into play. Fear may be an immense turn-on but terror is not; it is too damn real and goes well beyond eroticism. When the submissive can trust the dominant will not actually do the things he or she may threaten to do, the partners can then play with fear. I knew that when I held a burning candle so close to s sub’s breast, she was terrified that it was so close. I could see the fear in her downcast eyes. She knew I would not burn her though. I came extremely close, but I did not do it. We talked this through, and she was quite secure in the knowledge. And because of her secure feelings, she could relax and really immerse herself in the fear. She would scream, plead, or beg, be highly excited or frightened by the possibilities. She told me it was fun, though, at the time to believe that I would do it; it is an illusion that made our play all the more real. She also knew that fear was useless, that I would do what I wished, and that the decision was mine, that I left nothing possible to her except the thing she desired most--submitting.
Playing with fear provides the sub the opportunity to play the pleading-begging part of the fantasy, or the "against his or her role," or the victim role, thus increasing the specter of fear, vulnerability, and the arousal. The begging-pleading fantasy often plays a part in another intense but fairly common aspect of sadomasochistic play, which is acting out a nonconsensual scenario. Kidnap, rape, and torture are common fantasies and acting them during sadomasochistic play is no more real than in the movies. With acknowledged pre-negotiation and consent, these fantasy games can be quite exciting and erotic. One of the most intensely humiliating fantasies, is the "loss of control" scene. Giving a sub golden showers, or giving him or her an enema, thus forcing her retain the water, are definitely humiliating experiences. Water sports like taking control of his or her bladder and bowel functions is another way of demonstrating one's dominance, thus allowing another to exercise such immense control is truly a demonstration of submission. These activities tend to reinforce and underline feelings of humiliation and create the experience of what I call a "delicious shame." I will say that this type of kinky, intense water play is not my scene. Though I see the immense power and high to have control over a sub's bodily functions in this manner, I used to get my ass beat for playing with piss and shit. Orgasm is another example of a physically out-of-control experience that can be turned into humiliation during SM play by a dominant's references, for example, at a party as to how embarrassing it will feel to be forced into orgasm in a room full of people. Humiliation is a hard limit for many subs.
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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 1:39:35 PM   
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Do you write this from personal observations or from studies of various texts? Usually I would expect such an essay to come from someone who has either graduated with a degree in psychology or who is working towards one. Just me being a curious aging ursine... 

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 2:15:03 PM   
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Can I just get the title page with summary of your essay?  I can't seem to stay focused long enough to make it through the entire posts..

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 2:19:05 PM   
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try harder...badsub

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 2:54:39 PM   
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Teasing is not necessarily painful. Light hearted teasing can be fun for both without any shame, fear, humiliation etc. And nobody here needs a lecture on how to do humiliation play. By assuming we're all morons, you're humiliating yourself.

I wish John Warren would come on, can't wait to see the newest 'master' on the block lecturing the doyen in the field of wiitwd. For that, I'd bring popcorn.

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 2:57:42 PM   
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my words exactly winsome                    sounds like an interesting topic, if only it was readable.

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 2:58:13 PM   
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. Why do I get the feeling this is all cut and paste essay work from someone's elses writing? Call me a cynic..but...

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 2:58:53 PM   
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That' ssexy subalicious to you persephonee! 

OP:  I'm really trying to get through the essay, but skimming through it I'd say that I see a big difference between vulnerability and pyschological pain.  For me, psychological pain is NOT being able to BE vulnerable and open and unguarded.  I'm trying to see it in the context with what you post of sadomasochism, and it is just not meshing with my experience.  Anyway, forging right along, and skimming aside..I'll have to think on it in more depth.


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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 3:02:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aynne88

. Why do I get the feeling this is all cut and paste essay work from someone's elses writing? Call me a cynic..but...

Aynne.. that was my first thought when I started reading.. erm, trying to read it (gettin older, the eyes aint what they used to be)

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 3:08:36 PM   
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You are not alone. I had to reach for the readers to get through that mess...sighs..what's gonna go next Greedy?


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

. Why do I get the feeling this is all cut and paste essay work from someone's elses writing? Call me a cynic..but...

Aynne.. that was my first thought when I started reading.. erm, trying to read it (gettin older, the eyes aint what they used to be)


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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 3:09:45 PM   
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I feel that being naked in a room filled with fully dressed people, who I might add is an experience known to most subs


Strange....I do not know of one single sub who has had this happen to him or her.

May I ask where you got your information from?  Is there a place where I might check your "facts" and discover if this experience IS routine for most subs? 


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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 3:18:43 PM   
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The Rose (my oak paddle), Ruby (my red cane) and I prefer the ole style of The Psychology of Pain.

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 3:19:43 PM   
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I have never been naked in a room full of clothed people.....except there was that night at Paddles....

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 3:36:59 PM   
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Me either, except for that time at Mistress Wildfleurs, oh and that time at the Baton Rouge dungeon....oh, and that time in New Orleans....but except for those times...never..nope.

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 3:58:39 PM   
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Holy Begeeezus Winnie....great pics!!!...wait...that is you isnt it??

i am naked in public every single blessed Saturday except last nite...which was hell btw...so there ya have it. Hard to punish a slut aint it. i find no humiliation in watersports, beatings, any sexual position, cornertime....man, i must not be weal.

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 4:08:48 PM   
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While there is an element of humiliation that is inherent in the dominant-submissive relationship itself, in that the focus is on the vulnerability of the submissive and the intimacy of the dominant's power and control, there are, in addition, other types of humiliation play.


aaaaaaaaawwwwwww NO.  There is no Inherent humiliation in a D/s relationship.  In some relationships there is a factor of humiliation an others..... it's a non-starter!!

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 4:10:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: persephonee

...man, i must not be weal.

perse


and what do you say when a Dominant plays his girl in the buff... which I have been known to do... particularly when things are rather warm.    Should I feel humiliated?

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 4:17:16 PM   
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i say.....come on over, Sir!!!

but in reference to the original post....i dont find nudity in the dominant to be less than domly, i find it convenient.

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 4:18:02 PM   
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Persephonee:  That's me! 

As for the post (so I don't get Mod spanked..owie!) : 
Psychological pain As I referenced earlier, I don't see being vulnerable as psychologically painful.  In fact, surrendering to the will of someone who masters me, takes me to a completely opposite place than 'psychologically painful'.  It is psychological euphoria.  It is freedom from the stress of guarding, and from the pain of being in control.  I took some time to evaluate all I know of psychological pain and I'm just not making a connection to sadomasochism.  Psychlogical pain is pretty much contraindicative of where I go when I surrender.  I'm sure that others experiences vary.  It just isn't the case for me, or anything I've experienced to date.

Pride and self-esteem  I do believe that there are darker places that one might desire to go, that it takes someone able to take them there and bring them back - but I don't think that is must always be 'self' esteem or pride, that brings one back from the precipice.  A strong arm, and a soothing voice ...anyway, I digress.  And I still don't see how it relates to psychological sadomasochism.  Honestly, if my head isn't in it - the whole thing isn't going to be anything more than a power struggle anyway.  If I am psychologically anguished or psychologically conflicted -very little is going to work until I can be taken to a place where my mind and my desires are NOT conflicting with each other.  This is sometimes easier said than done, but again - for me - the psychological pain is completely contraindicated. 

Fear and teasing In a word - YUMM.....no psychological angst here. 

Now, I'm not being deliberately obtuse.  I'm just not following the concept to the same destination.  I am interested in the thoughts of others that DO relate to the psychological pain as it relates to sadomasochism. 

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RE: The Psycholgy of Pain - 11/23/2008 4:27:44 PM   
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i say.....come on over, Sir!!!

but in reference to the original post....i dont find nudity in the dominant to be less than domly, i find it convenient.


Ditto - Easy access IS very very ummm....convenient! 

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