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Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 3:01:28 PM   
candystripper


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Status: offline 		i can only speak for Florida; but there are dozens of licensed professions and businesses in the state, from tugboat operators to notary publics. Many are regulated by the Dept. of Business & Professional Regulation; a few, like lawyers, are regulated by an Ethics Committee of the Bar, which recommends punishments to the Supreme Court. It is rare for the Supreme Court to vary from the proposed punishment, so the real fight is in front of the Ethics Committee.

i was never hauled in front of them, thank Gawd, but i did get the Florida Bar Newsletter and it seemed to me anything was forgivable apart from dipping into client trust funds and acquiring a drug habit that caused a lawyer to miss deadlines and malpractiice. i cannot remember ever seeing a lawyer sanctioned for suborning perjury, which was one of my chief complaints about opposing counsels.

My Op question is this: in your opinion, are the businesses and professions fairly regulated in your area? Are the cops failry reviewed for excessive force, etc.? Bear in mind, your MD, your dentist, your C.P.A.. and many other businesses and professions are regulated; not just lawyers.

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 3:27:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm, I really could not tell you if they are or not. I do know that our dept is regualated and watched very closely, but what we do is highly dangerous also :)

I would like to think that all areas of business, no matter what they are or what they do, are just as regularly watched. But who can really say what is fair, and what is not fair?

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 3:51:04 PM   
candystripper


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Status: offline 		If Your business handles hazardous materials, i am sure you are heavily regulated, probably by more than one agency.

Maybe hazardous materials are an exception, but i think we regulate small businesses into the ground; who can afford to cope with a Code of Federal Regulations that grows by what -- 15%? 25% -- annually, not to mention other sources of authority? IMO this country plays havoc with the middle class and does so at its own risk.

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 6:47:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The person who graduates last from medical school is still called Dr.

I live in the area where a major teaching hospital washed surgical instruments in hydraulic fluid---4,000 patients were operated on with these instruments--

Employees of the Wake County School System were arrested and charged with illegally diverting monies to make outrageuos purchases most ending in personal gain---

Regulation in our area?? Hell no!

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 7:09:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, considering the number of minority "criminals" that have been killed in the past year by police officers I would have to say no, I don't think that they are very well regulated at all.

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 7:55:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

If Your business handles hazardous materials, i am sure you are heavily regulated, probably by more than one agency.

Maybe hazardous materials are an exception, but i think we regulate small businesses into the ground; who can afford to cope with a Code of Federal Regulations that grows by what -- 15%? 25% -- annually, not to mention other sources of authority? IMO this country plays havoc with the middle class and does so at its own risk.

candystripper


I don't think that the area of hazardous materials would be considered an exception though. It's true, we are regulated heavily, but no more than the police dept's, heath services, etc. Everyone just adheres to a different set of regulations, not necessarily less or more.

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 8:11:18 PM   
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quote:

in your opinion, are the businesses and professions fairly regulated in your area? Are the cops failry reviewed for excessive force, etc.? Bear in mind, your MD, your dentist, your C.P.A.. and many other businesses and professions are regulated; not just lawyers.


Well, in Indiana at least...our laws are pretty fair and evenly spaced amongst the different agencies. Everyone answers to a different set of rules...what works for the police dept's will not work for the health field, etc. Some have to answer to more, some to less. But I do believe that all are fairly regulated to the extent that is needed. ( though I will admit, that some need stricter guidelines, but thats a rant....)

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 8:13:24 PM   
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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 8:55:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		New Mexico is a good place to get away with shady shenanigans. Not that the people here are all that corrupt, and we have the same rules and regulations as everybody else, but oversight and enforcement is pretty slipshod.

People in my profession (archaeology) have been known to slide various unethical practices past the oversight agencies. No one's health or safety is endangered, though. It's more a matter of doing bad science and/or possibly allowing a site to be damaged or destroyed. But that's still a damn shame, and it pisses me off.

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 9:16:06 PM   
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quote:

My Op question is this: in your opinion, are the businesses and professions fairly regulated in your area? Are the cops failry reviewed for excessive force, etc.? Bear in mind, your MD, your dentist, your C.P.A.. and many other businesses and professions are regulated; not just lawyers.

candystripper


I can tell you that my father, as former member of the California Bar, has a similar feeling about the situation in California. When he was practicing, we'd often hear about all the criminal and ethics violations in regard to exclusive information and insider trading, that consistently went on with impunity. Many of the lawyers who practiced securities law in a corporate setting put themselves in position to profit handsomely - and they did.

The part of Oregon I live in, you don't even need a business license to operate. Everyone has a wood stove and everyone burns their trash. And there are no goofy emissions laws in this part of the state. It's breath of fresh air, let me tell ya....


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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 11:08:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

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i was never hauled in front of them, thank Gawd, but i did get the Florida Bar Newsletter and it seemed to me anything was forgivable apart from dipping into client trust funds and acquiring a drug habit that caused a lawyer to miss deadlines and malpractiice. i cannot remember ever seeing a lawyer sanctioned for suborning perjury, which was one of my chief complaints about opposing counsels.

My Op question is this: in your opinion, are the businesses and professions fairly regulated in your area? Are the cops failry reviewed for excessive force, etc.? Bear in mind, your MD, your dentist, your C.P.A.. and many other businesses and professions are regulated; not just lawyers.

candystripper



I used to subscribe to the California State Bar Newsletter, and I was always apalled how many lawyers were censured for professional misconduct, such as embezzling money from client's trust accounts. I often wondered if any criminal charges were ever brought against them.

It seems like the professional elite rarely get prosectued unless the news media gets hold of the story. Once it goes public, the powers that be often turn on their own people.

So, I guess there is some justice in the world after all.

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 11:21:55 PM   
candystripper


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quote:

The person who graduates last from medical school is still called Dr.

I live in the area where a major teaching hospital washed surgical instruments in hydraulic fluid---4,000 patients were operated on with these instruments--

Employees of the Wake County School System were arrested and charged with illegally diverting monies to make outrageuos purchases most ending in personal gain---

Regulation in our area?? Hell no!

MHOO314


This reminds me of the scandal, quickly hushed up, of Dept of Defense employees using business credit cards to buy things such as dinner for four at Hooters. The idea behind the credit cards was to allow the DOD to buy small, nonrecurring, or similar expenses without having to go through the Request for Information type bidding process. The problem was, no method of acounting was ever adopted towards the cards, and no one was assigned to watch the expenditures. It was akin to giving most every DOD employee a $25,000 bonus. i'm sure many used the card as intended, but there's just no substitute for auditing.

candystripper

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/24/2005 11:29:12 PM   
candystripper


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quote:

It seems like the professional elite rarely get prosectued unless the news media gets hold of the story. Once it goes public, the powers that be often turn on their own people.

addcted2it


Some professions stick together -- MD's are a good example -- but lawyers will turn on their own and screw them to the wall given half a chance. Competiion for clients is very intense.

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/25/2005 7:16:50 AM   
candystripper


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Status: offline 		i found this article in the New England Journal of Medicine. It examined MD's who had been disciplined by professional boards and looked at their medical school conduct. A significant correlation was found between students with severe irresponsiblity and with a lack of ability to improve oneself to the disciplined MD's. The article recommends a course or more be taught in medical schools on professsionalism.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/353/25/2673?query=TOC

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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/25/2005 6:01:59 PM   
veronicaofML


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but iowa? all the judges and lawyers are bought n paid off...all you'll get is a kangaroo court


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RE: Professions and Professional Ethics - 12/25/2005 8:07:43 PM   
candystripper


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