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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/2/2008 5:06:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

*sigh* OK this has gotten to the point where it isnt going to be helpful anymore I suppose.

Then you're entertaining a different perspective as to how to go about arriving at your end result.

As you wish.


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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 4:59:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The trouble with erotic imagery, it is subjective and often there is a fine line between erotica and pornography, something this proposed new UK law is not going to adequately define, so photographer beware.

Erotica is more about the suggestive, not the obvious, but where the suggestive point and the obvious point occur is open to the interpretation of the viewer and that viewer's mentality. Artists whatever their medium, often being provocative and open minded as a matter of course will have to watch themselves soon to not fall foul of a rabid law.

Now someone has mentioned that erotica is more about the submissive female and not so much the male, but the submissive female is what people expect due to societal conditioning. I have found imagery of the submissive male more challenging to most, a lot of males do not get on with it, as if it challenges their perceptions of their self. Me, I like erotic male imagery and do plan to photographicaly convey my challenges soon, perhaps in a way similar to this wonderful photographer ;

http://www.playfulbent.com/users/8083-silentknight/photo_sets/427-kastle-kink/my_photos/853-untitled

His use of garish lighting is just fantastic.

Anyone else like his work ?


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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 5:45:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, Aneirin .. interesting pictures.  I like the photographer's eye and the way he uses lighting ... the ultra CBT made me want to cross my legs and I don't have any of those parts! 

While I'm not turned on by images of the submissive male - I don't find them erotic - I can appreciate them for their beauty. 

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 6:01:11 AM   
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Wow, Aneirin .. interesting pictures.  I like the photographer's eye and the way he uses lighting ... the ultra CBT made me want to cross my legs and I don't have any of those parts! 

While I'm not turned on by images of the submissive male - I don't find them erotic - I can appreciate them for their beauty. 



Nothing against your thoughts, but another person viewing those images with a critical condeming eye could label the images pornographic , perhaps extreme pornographic for very much the same reason it made you without the parts want to cross your legs. Personally I see no problem with the pics, but I am very opn minded but aware of how the forthcoming UK law might very well see them.

It makes me shudder at the thought of artistic interpretation being stifled, and all the artists that might very well find themselves in a possible tricky situation.

To remember, this forthcoming law is about possesion of imagery deemed by the law to be unfit.


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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 6:13:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember reading about the upcoming law and understand your concerns fully.  I think a lot of people would find them pornographic versus erotic - probably depending on their openness and orientation and experience.  I think that's another (long) discussion.  I crossed my legs, but examined the pics closely - with an eye more towards the artistry behind the work - it rather fascinated me, and I'm glad you shared it.  

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 6:16:28 AM   
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Usually the stuff that connotes "slave". Collars, leashes, kneeling, crawling, cuffs, chained to a wall by the neck, all mixed with a variety of different styles of clothing that have been associated over the years with "slave". Symbolic actions such as kissing a man's hand while kneeling or curling a head up against a leg while lying on the floor, as well.

This is one of the reasons I always feel a bit awkward around the majority of kinksters who are into S/M. Pain and torture related imagery does absolutely nothing for me. I hate it when people shove their photography in my face or show off their pictures of all their bruises, cuts, clothespins whatever. I feel like I am supposed to say something, but usually all I can manage is a "Cool" or "That's nice."



i just have to ditto Charleston's whole post!
i love the suggestive, whether partial clothing or full nudity but the blatant genital shots?  Nothing
 
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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 6:25:14 AM   
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Usually the stuff that connotes "slave". Collars, leashes, kneeling, crawling, cuffs, chained to a wall by the neck, all mixed with a variety of different styles of clothing that have been associated over the years with "slave". Symbolic actions such as kissing a man's hand while kneeling or curling a head up against a leg while lying on the floor, as well.

This is one of the reasons I always feel a bit awkward around the majority of kinksters who are into S/M. Pain and torture related imagery does absolutely nothing for me. I hate it when people shove their photography in my face or show off their pictures of all their bruises, cuts, clothespins whatever. I feel like I am supposed to say something, but usually all I can manage is a "Cool" or "That's nice."



I feel the same way.  I'm happy they love it, but it doesn't do a thing for me.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 6:30:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		personally, i really like photos of men showing some vulnerability, moreso in the expression than anything.  doesnt have to be tied up, bound, gagged or whatever, just something simple.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 6:30:32 AM   
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I remember reading about the upcoming law and understand your concerns fully.  I think a lot of people would find them pornographic versus erotic - probably depending on their openness and orientation and experience.  I think that's another (long) discussion.  I crossed my legs, but examined the pics closely - with an eye more towards the artistry behind the work - it rather fascinated me, and I'm glad you shared it.  


I too see the artistry, a successful photographic image is made up of far more than the subject, something I try hard in my genre of photography to achieve, the subject portrayed in the right mood.

With Scrunt's work, it is his attention to lighting, colour and detail I enjoy, that together with using diffuse glow on some of his images, oiled skin being a very effective way to reveal form. Diffuse glow, blur and grain I use much in my own work, so an appreciation is natural. The subject itself, the advanced cbt, is imagery that challenges my thoughts. The artistic nudes, like any other nude, the difference being the gender, I for one, delight in observing the human form, whatever it's gender, as the human form is just beautiful.

A liking for imagery of the male does not make me homosexual, if it did, then all the great artists and sculptors of history should be labelled such. Was Michelangelo gay, who cares ?


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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 7:07:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		A man's mouth, slightly open, and him blindfolded. The mouth looks so vulnerable. In the movie Thelma and Louise, S Sarandon covers Michael Madsen's eyes with her small hand and asks him a question. I can't watch that scene without staring at his mouth. So, so hot.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 7:25:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		The "eyes" have it. They're called "the window to the soul for a reason. A whole story can be told with the eyes. I don't need any thing more than that. Of course, I can appreciate beauty. I find he sight of the female form bound to be highly erotic and totally beautiful. But, I've seen other pictures (I have a few saved. Too bad we can't post them here) online that told a whole story showing nothing but the eyes.

Or...Just take a look at Cali's avatar!

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 12:36:23 PM   
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*sigh* OK this has gotten to the point where it isnt going to be helpful anymore I suppose.
What I am trying to get across is that I have a HUGE ratio of What i envision to what I get.
Thats awesome. However, I want to be able to take photos of other people FOR them to enjoy and get ideas on what others might like, not just me. I didnt think that was such a difficult concept.
I know what I like and I can photograph what I like without a problem. I cant see what others like, but I am not taking photos strictly for myself. If I were, Id never have asked what others found erotic. I wouldnt care. I do, however because I want my photography to go somewhere.  I dont have to personally find it erotic to know it is or should be... but when I know others think that way its enough of a clue.

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I think what Nihilus suggested is that you are thinking too outside your own comfort zone, and that won't garner anything productive so to concentrate on what you like.  You can't take images for other people if you don't 'get' or 'like' it and expect them to be good.  What you do is take what you love and work with it and there will be people that like it or people that do not.  If you try and take staged images that you have no love for that will come through your images.  Trying to branch out on subjects that hold no fascination or things you can't personally relate to will have you ending up with a mediocre portfolio.
 
You don't have to ask other people on what people find erotic - you just have to read the threads here and the names and identities people have.  Babygirls colouring books, blood letting, knife play, contracts, collars, nudity, long hair, bondage - all these are erotic subjects.  You take that which you already get and let your own creativity loose.  Don't be concerned if it's appealing to others.  You have to take the image or paint it and like it yourself.  You have to understand it and how you took it and what it means to you on a personal level.  If you cannot enjoy and like your own work first, how can you expect others to like it?
 
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RE: Erotic Imagery - 12/3/2008 12:53:15 PM   
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There IS no criteria. Thats the point. I am gathering ideas from others who likely do NOT share my vision of erotic. It broadens the range of images I can create when I see things differently.
Fetishes nonwithstanding, I am hoping to find something that is less restrictive. My interest in collars, for instance, opens up a LOT of ideas, however not everyone would find those types of images erotic if they have no interest in or are even turned off by collars. Some people find french maids outfits highly erotic and stimulating, they are a hard limit of ine and a complete turn off. Those are fetishes though.
In general, what images are erotic in nature so that even possibly a vanilla person could look at them and think *damn*

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I think even a vanilla person would find erotic a picture of a beautiful man or woman naked, except for a collar. Maybe you could make collars erotic to vanilla people! I'm just being silly, btw, my two cent's worth and whatnot.


I prefer the old style pin-ups, the REAL pinups where the point was to leave something to the imagination. I personally find human genitalia a bit ugly, and not really that erotic.

I also have a huge collar fetish, people in collars drive me WILD. That not withstanding, I do think Fox is a cutie, and would make a good model whatever you decide to do. I wanna see for sure! (Hope I didnt cross any lines there, he is YOURS and all... ;) )

That probably isnt helpful, but I think you will get a better response with tasteful, sexuality/nudity implied type photos than nudes. Especially since it's a male model so it wont be (all) men drooling over the photos looking for good wank material.

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