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RE: Economics 101 - 12/1/2008 11:02:16 PM   
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I am no rocket scientist, but do I have the option to agree with half of it and disagree with the other half? If so, then wouldn't that make another option other than to agree or disagree? What if I just said moo? Is not choosing a choice?


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RE: Economics 101 - 12/1/2008 11:04:54 PM   
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I can spell academic for a start, got a more thorough education than both Hazlitt and you by the looks of things.


ah yes, that spelling bee is the crowning achievement of any scholar's career.

and is this your entire refutation? I was hoping for more content in you argument that Hazlitt is not a "real" Austrian Economist.

but I suppose a spell check will have to suffice.


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RE: Economics 101 - 12/1/2008 11:08:40 PM   
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He's Austrian. Well done.
Is English your first language?
I don't have to refute anything, Hazlitt has no reputation.

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/1/2008 11:23:38 PM   
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He's Austrian. Well done.
Is English your first language?
I don't have to refute anything, Hazlitt has no reputation.


As far as Austrians are concerned, he has quite the reputation. He's much more reputable than someone like Paul Krugman.

And what does a reputation mean? Truth is not a popularity contest. The Eagles are more popular than Smetana, is this a statement about quality?

Concern yourself with a man's argument, not what a mob thinks of him.


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RE: Economics 101 - 12/1/2008 11:40:27 PM   
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...governments play a vital role in regulating economic activity.......



how's the migraine?

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/1/2008 11:41:46 PM   
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...governments play a vital role in regulating economic activity......


I agree, government do play a vital role in regulating the economy.


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RE: Economics 101 - 12/1/2008 11:44:45 PM   
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As far as Austrians are concerned, he has quite the reputation. He's much more reputable than someone like Paul Krugman.



Well, obviously.

I mean any idiot can win a Nobel Prize in economics.

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 12:00:55 AM   
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v30,
 
Post #2 in this thread would be much easier to read with paragraph breaks. 

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 1:07:06 AM   
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Well, obviously.

I mean any idiot can win a Nobel Prize in economics.


do you know what he won it for?


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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 1:08:51 AM   
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Spelling and grammar?

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 5:19:00 AM   
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Economics?

Just a stab...

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 5:27:21 AM   
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I can spell academic for a start, got a more thorough education than both Hazlitt and you by the looks of things.


Correcting spelling or grammar mistakes while using improper sentence structure always makes me chuckle.  The "thorough education" comparsion just adds to the irony.

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 6:34:30 AM   
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Well, obviously.

I mean any idiot can win a Nobel Prize in economics.


do you know what he won it for?



I believe it was for his widely acclaimed studies on the negative effects of premature ejaculation on worker productivity in the Austrian economy.

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 7:33:39 AM   
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Well, obviously.

I mean any idiot can win a Nobel Prize in economics.


do you know what he won it for?


How's this variation30 ? I AGREE.

I agree wholeheartedly and that should draw as all of this should...a hardy so-the-fuck-what ? Plus, I don't care just where they come from...they could be from the fucking moon for all I care.

Studying economics does nothing...NOTHING. For example...the study of biology/chemistry is/are very good fields of study the basis of which is knowing how much of the natural world really works. What would have happened if Pasteur had left it at that ?

If Read, Friedman, Hazlitt et al, are to be studied and they are, just as in the sciences, to what end ? What practical difference does study only offer me or any student ? NOTHING, except to write my own paper and look for my own Nobel prize.

You may not like this but the ONLY reason to study of most anything including almost all of the sciences...is for the benefit of society. Pasteur's discoveries may have been the single most life-lengthening of all in modern science and that is the most practical difference he made...to society. Studying economics could be like studying astrology where even what we soon learn presents cosmic logic and a good images but by itself, does not serve society.

So first order of MY economics is find people to plant the trees, cut them down, saw them into little pieces, find more to gather and mix that graphite slurry forming the 'lead' and soon enough, I have found enough people to make my pencils.

I am a now very successful economist and I could write a book about it and how I exploited my freedom and used the invisible hand of the marketplace for a very good profit. Problem is, by force of govt. all of those who planted trees, cut them down and eventually made those pencils...were slaves or virtually so without sharing my freedom and economy and all of our mutual study did nothing for them. 

Economists speak of the great 'economic' miracle of China. Now that's something worth studying...the 'miracle' of housing my 1 billion peasants in the cities and forcing them to make my prencils or anything else the 'invisble' yet very visible hand of the marketplace of sending the west's jobs to these captive peasants in my economic model of maximizing profits. (90,000 riots/demonstrations this year alone) Where does the 30 cents/hour economic conscript fit into Read's, Friedman's or Hazlitt's study of economics ?

My economics is called capitalism or 'money-ism' which is all of the 'study' I need know to lobby and influence govt. to empower me to 'employ' others' labor to make and sell pencils. All the while in fact stealing their labor for my profit. Let us now celebrate MY freedom to profit from MY economics and nevermind those 'millions' involved in this enterprise because their invisible hand is VERY visible as is spreading round the world...is the NOT so invisble hand of govt.

Even the political right is now justifying our socialism for the rich calling it 'poilitical/economy.'

I wonder where the hell they've been ?

Go ahead and study the college courses and all of the laureates and unfortunately most of what you read is made so ambiguous and general as to make it meaningless. But don't waist your time on these basics or theories of supply and demand or the 'deployment' of capital or invisble hand of any marketplace. What you study does not exist and all too easily renedered propaganda meant to serve those who would like you to believe that we actually have or even pursue a free market and that, that hand is really invisible. Neither exists.




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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 8:20:17 AM   
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You don't have any idea do you?
How long have you two been coupled up?

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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 8:46:12 AM   
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Ah code for "yeah there are other options than just those two, but I am too arrogant to admit it directly". I understand now.

That is what I thought.

As far as the economics go, unfortunately there is no blanket answer to all situations. There are some fundamental basics, which seemed covered in the links you posted.


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I am no rocket scientist, but do I have the option to agree with half of it and disagree with the other half? If so, then wouldn't that make another option other than to agree or disagree? What if I just said moo? Is not choosing a choice?


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RE: Economics 101 - 12/2/2008 9:37:09 AM   
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....sod obscure Austrian writers on economics........for a readable introduction to economics i recommend 'Making Money' by Terry Pratchett........there's even a room full of rubber appliances for the kinksters, bet you don't get that in Hazlitt........

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