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Estring -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 1:02:02 AM)

You gotta love Goreans. They are a million laughs.



GreyDragon1952 -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 2:00:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
This message has been brought to you by Gor-Lite. When you want to call yourself Gorean, but without all that Gorean stuff, reach for a nice Gor-Lite.


Cute. I played Gor-Lite before. The heavy Gor just made me laugh. They REALLY don't like it when you laugh at them.
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
This message has been brought to you by Gor-Lite. When you want to call yourself Gorean, but without all that Gorean stuff, reach for a nice Gor-Lite.


Cute. I played Gor-Lite before. The heavy Gor just made me laugh. They REALLY don't like it when you laugh at them.


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White silk meaning a girl that has been unopened by a male, or simply a virgin. I could be wrong.

You aren't wrong. It does mean simply that. A virgin. Some folks (especially online role-play types) use "white silk" to mean "protected". Sometimes "protected" means that their sexual use is reserved to their master, other times it means that they aren't obedient (or even deferential) to anyone but their master.

This message has been brought to you by Gor-Lite. When you want to call yourself Gorean, but without all that Gorean stuff, reach for a nice Gor-Lite.

< Message edited by Leonidas -- 8/10/2004 5:23:22 PM >

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Take care of yourself

Leonidas


Before I get started let me apologize for going off topic

Yes I agree with the way you seen Gor-Lite and so called Gor heavy that you seen as most play online, and most makes me laugh, and also sick. Because I know there is more to it than most of the online play you seen.
The rich history and world created by the writer was seen as controversial, and so it may have been in the heyday of women’s lib. Some still take offence to the writings even though they are out of print. and out dated. The Philosophy that was laid out was done by one man, who was a writer and philosopher who received his Doctorate from Princeton. The Books as written were fiction, and at the time never meant to endorse a BDSM lifestyle. The author took his knowledge of different cultures and philosophies around the world and wrote a group of books that made him a lot of money.
But he did put forth his Philosophy into them, and that’s what we take today as Gorean BDSM today.

Now you can take role-play any number of ways you can play Cowboy and Indians like we did as children, not knowing any more that what you saw on TV or in the movies or from other children of the time, or you can research it like the Society for Creative Anachronism does for the middle ages, I choose the later, as I want a greater fullness to my role play. Many play fast and loose with the under laying philosophy, simply out for the power trip. You don’t have to be Gorean to do that, you don’t even have to know very much of anything at all.
To play or become an actor in any role you have to know as much as you can about the world your going to act out. Or maybe you don’t!

Leonidas in other post you have told us of your love of going out to the sea and facing nature at its worst in your sail boat. Tell me would you want someone who knows little or nothing about sailing as part of your crew to be on your boat with you when facing such extremes, or when you have a fairly new person on your boat do you teach them lite-sailing or do you want then to get it right so when someone asks them, they can say they learn what they did from you and not look like a fool. I hate to think you would not teach someone to sail to the best of your ability.

So when you cut down my information and make fun of it then you don’t mind so much if we say your sailing stories sound just like that stories, that you have to be nuts to sail in such high seas. No when those of us that say or think we are Gorean, and spend as much time learning about as you have sailing, then yes we don’t like it much when others take it for granted and make fun of what we do, I can only guess you don’t have that same passion for the sea.

Again these are just my Opinions, they may or may not hold water.

Grey Dragon



jillwfsub4blkdom -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 3:22:27 AM)

GreyDragon,
i am confused as to why so many off topic responses are in here. i don't think this was a topic to belittle others over their signatures or to belittle their general beliefs. i think we should try and stick to the topic at hand and respect other's ideas.



GreyDragon1952 -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 3:24:33 AM)

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On another thread we were talking about how much (or little) things have changed in this life over the years. One change that I do notice is that the term "Daddy" instead of Dominant or Master has become far more common. When I started out, if someone said "My Daddy" it was a fairly safe bet that they were an age player ("spank me daddy" submissives, we used to call them). Anyone have any insight as to why "Daddy" has gained more currency in recent years?

Take care of yourselves

Leonidas


I’m going to tread some dangerous ground.
A lot of people are dancing around the forbidden fruit aspect of Daddy and Daddy’s little girl, the Incest/Taboo or that of pedophilia interests, which in truth is what age play is all about. Personally I find nothing wrong with age play between adults, as some do. As an outlet for a fantasy I indorse it. Of course there are some that take fantasies as age play all out of proportion, it reaching a point where even cartoon characters of children can’t know anything about sex, but then there are people out there that believe comic books are evil and even erotica story boards online have stopped publishing stories if any of the characters are portrayed as younger than 18.
As with any prohibition of any item comes up you will find more and more want to act out the forbidden aspect of it. And so the hot button of ‘Daddy’ crops up. People go to jail for having sex with children. However they do not for play acting having sex with a child that’s really an adult, but they do for film makers who have women that look very young play a child’s role in porno films, but I’m willing to bet there are those that would like to make it a crime. A case of protecting us from ourselves. Just because we like role-playing that must mean we are closet pedophiles and a danger to children everywhere.
I can see from the male point of view of the attraction, I’m at some what at a lose for the woman’s reasoning but I’m thankful for it when I run across it as its an outlet for thoughts that could get me other wise arrested or shun. The issue is that it’s a fantasy and as one should be treated no differently than fantasies about any other sex act, or that of robbing a bank, or plotting any other crime. If you do that to one then you have to do them all, for you can’t use different rules for both. It’s unreasonable. And there are those that would make it all a crime. The thought police. In which case everyone of us here would be in jail or worse.

As a father of a daughter I will protect her with my life from someone that would use or abuse her in such a way. I can’t reasonably say just what I would do to such a man.
But I am very much my little girl’s Daddy, and she calls me that all the time. It does not mean I want to have sex with her. Or see her as a sexual object.

Again these are just my thoughts and opinions they may or not fit in with the original posts subject.

Grey Dragon



GreyDragon1952 -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 3:39:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Estring

You gotta love Goreans. They are a million laughs.




I try to be, not easy as you can see.

I have fun with what I see as Gorean. Try reading one of the books and you will see that there is a lot more humor in them than sex. Something most people lose sight of.

jmo

Grey Dragon



GreyDragon1952 -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 4:06:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jillwfsub4blkdom

GreyDragon,
i am confused as to why so many off topic responses are in here. i don't think this was a topic to belittle others over their signatures or to belittle their general beliefs. i think we should try and stick to the topic at hand and respect other's ideas.


I don’t have to reply to a sub, but I will in this case because your right, it was off topic and I said so right out front.

As a sub I’m sure you have feeling about what you have done and learned and the price you paid to learn them. I have paid no less a price in what I have learned. So when I hear remarks belittling something I have put as much time and effort into, yes I get a bit peeved.

It takes a very thoughtless person to take a girl like your self and then feed her bullshit and make her believe it. But some get their kicks from it.
If your going to going to something as different as Gor, then why can’t you find out the truth about it, learn what its really all about that’s what I try to do. I don’t sugar coat it, but I believe it can be as much fun as anything out there, and even more so when your not being lied to.

Again jmo
Grey Dragon



Sinergy -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 5:52:18 AM)

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As a father of a daughter I will protect her with my life from someone that would use or abuse her in such a way. I can’t reasonably say just what I would do to such a man.


Well, I got my daughter trained and raised to trust herself and take care of herself.

I can watch her go out the door and know that that one will always keep herself safe.

I feel bad for the one who tries to mess with her. What she doesnt take care of will have to deal with me.

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I don’t have to reply to a sub, but I will in this case because your right, it was off topic and I said so right out front.


Technically, you dont have to reply to anybody.

Do you know her in real life as a submissive or just from what box she checked? I thought this was a discussion board on the internet for anybody to post their ideas.

In my opinion, making this sort of comment doesnt reflect well on you, GreyDragon.

JM, CBW, BTYG

Sinergy



stormiKnightBEAR -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 6:31:21 AM)

It's amazing how others can and are allowed to repeatedly be snide and
belittle what they do not understand or that they have no knowledge of.

It was this girl's understanding the topic at hand was the Daddy title.
It was not this girl's understanding that by commenting that this
girl was leaving herself open to be a target.

Thank You for once again showing how the real flow goes.


stormi
property of Master Temji Bear



Leonidas -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 6:41:51 AM)

Geezus, what did I walk in on here this morning? GreyDragon, I can't respond to any of the things that you've posted to me here. I can sort of tell that you're pissed about something. I think you're tring to say that I'm full of shit, which is fine. Beyond that, if there is a point in there somewhere, it was lost on me. There is already one poster here whose posts leave me staring blankly at the screen and scratching my head. I don't know what I'll do if I have to wade through two. JMO

I have to tell you that whatever interest I might have had in trying to understand you waned sharply when I saw the "I don't have to respond to you because your[sic] a submissive" thing. That kind of quip sends you to a special relm in my mind where Lords of All They Survey defend their imaginary dutchies in crib-blankie capes and salad bowl helmets with their trusty wooden spoon swords. There is a way back from that relm, but the path, as someone once wrote is narrow, and as difficult to walk as the razor's edge. Until you make it back, you can expect that I'll respond to you more or less as if that is where you belong.



Leonidas -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 6:56:02 AM)

Hello stormi,

You are right. The topic, or at least I think that the topic I started, was about "Daddy". For what it's worth, I don't think I've ever seen a thread stay on topic here. They wander sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. As far as you being a target goes, I don't think that you are. GreyDragon made a comment about your tag line. I kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt and thought that maybe he'd only read the books, and didn't know how "white silk" is used outside the books, especially online, so I explained. As far as me having no knowledge or not understanding goes, if you use "white silk" to mean something other than "virgin" (the book usage), or "protected/restricted" (the typical online Gor usage), feel free to correct me.



Leonidas -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 7:26:42 AM)

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I'm curious how that works. If you can't get to them to meet them then how can any of them vouch for you?


Well, the post I was responding to said that the poster laughs at "heavy Goreans" and that they don't like that. She's talking about online. I've seen people behave like that online. They come to a Gorean board or chat and laugh, and jeer, and basically try to "debunk" what they see going on. She's right, the folks there generally don't like it. You get about the same reception as you would if you went to a vegan message board or chat and said "hey, you fucking freaks, you're so full of yourselves, eat a ham on rye and get over it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"

To the point of your question; offline, face to face interaction is a different story. It would be a lot tougher to walk into some Gorean's living room and start behaving like that. To be in some Gorean's living room in the first place, you would have had to meet one. We're a little wary of strangers on the whole, so you aren't going to find yourself invited into someone's home where there might be a group on a whim. There is a woman who posts here once in a while who has expressed an interest to me. I have answered a lot of questions for her as she reads the books and looks at different resources. I also pointed her toward a long standing group in her area that I know about. When I did, however, I told her very pointedly that she may not tell those folks that I have vouched for her. She is a decent woman, and I consider her a friend, but I wouldn't tell anyone I know that she's a Gorean girl at this point in time. This hurts her feelings, by the way, but that's just how it is.

Hope this helps.



Sylverdawn -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 7:30:31 AM)

I am going to reply here..

stormi is my husband's girl. Temji.. was Gor before there was a Gor.before there an internet and before silk and steek emerged from the slime of internet bdsm sexchat. he fell in love with the traditions of honor, code and as good as your word a long time ago. He followed those simply backwoods beliefs his family raised him with that he identified with inside those books he found as a teenager.. a good thirty years ago into a military carrier.. he served his country and he formed his philosophy always returning to those basic tenents his parent taught him. Tradition, blood and water, stand for something or fall for anything those good old fashioned homilies. Now he is probably one of the more bright people in this world.. he took that experience and walking into a profession that not many of us have the patience and balls to do.. he is a special ed teacher.. he could make more money doing a whole lot of things.. but he believes in the concept found in those books and inside his family about serving his community to the best of his ability. I was there when he thought about the terms and what they met to him. He read the books in his younth, again as a young adult and again in mid life .. and like all things they are open to interpretation like all books that contain philosophy. I have no idea why people get off saying my way is the only way.. its simply this.. his belief is that a girl who is white silk is a girl who is reserved, owned, collared she belongs too. There are passages contained within two of the novels that support that stance but why does it matter.. does it affect how you choose to live .. probably not. Its no more bullshit than saying the only true submissive calls no other Master but her/his own Master... is that bullshit.. who the heck cares. I get rather tired of the jump up and shout my way or the highway that we find along these message boards and I also get tired of people taking crack pot shots at the girl who is simply doing as she is told.. if you have an issue with it take it up with the source... [email protected] but be prepared if you want to change his mind have a solid agruement.. until then leave the girl alone.

Dawn.

Now back to the topic at hand..
I think Daddy is more acessible these days because more of the old guard leather communities are becomes pansexual and people are open to those traditions.



darkinshadows -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 7:51:30 AM)

Please forgive Angel, Leonidas for going off topic, but she has a genuine question.

*first hugz stormi*

Then, stating that Angel understands that none have to respond to her, whether they be Dom/sub/slave/switch etc... requests to ask a question.

If A Gorean has an issue with the fact that a girl wears what she is commanded to by her Master, then is it not the 'done thing' to contact the girls Master and discuss such instead of airing them publicly?

If this is the wrong place to ask this, please forgive Angel.



newflowers -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 7:58:53 AM)

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2) The feeling you get from using Daddy versus other "titles" set the dynamic for a "warmer" tone/tempo.


From the time I was two years until he died when I was 36, I had the world's best father and I still refer to him as my daddy. Rather a spoiled girl, never was I a child deprived of paternal love. We did not always see eye-to-eye after I hit the age of 14, but I loved my daddy and he loved me.

Sitting on a lap and saying "daddy please f*^# me" does not bring to mind any of my childhood at all and is not reflective of any lack from my childhood.

Perhaps in answer to the original post, "Daddy" is more common because AP becoming more accepted in BDSM. It seems to be an area that can still invite intolerance; (i.e., whipping intials into someones butt while they are bond in public is okay) Age Play as a relationship dynamic can still upset some people.

Daddy as a title is preferable because it connotes love and guidance and understanding and fun and spankings and play and control and affection(and i could go on here) without the harsh remote connotative qualities of terms like Sir or Master.

And there is hearing that "good girl" praise that can make one rather soft and squishy.

newflowers



Leonidas -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 8:00:02 AM)

He sounds like a decent guy. I have only ever seen "white silk" used that way online, and I've been around a long, long time. That isn't a slam, by the way, just the facts. The reason is that it doesn't make a lot of sense anywhere but online. In my living room, nobody ever said "here's my slave, and she's white silk" simply because nobody was going to grab the slave and fuck her over the coffee table without knowing her master really well and having his leave to do so anyhow. It wouldn't make any more sense than just deciding to grab a man's car keys and use his car unless he had said "hey, if you want to use my car, feel free". Online, you have lots of HNG peacocks running around who really don't know anything other than Gorean girls have to do what they say, and so, "white silk", online, came to mean that the girl didn't have to cyber-fuck with just anyone who said so. As time went on, in some places (the Gor-Lite places), it also came to mean that the slave could be as surley as she liked to anyone she damn well pleased because she was "white silk".

There isn't anyplace in the books where "white silk" means anything other than "virgin", but you're right, it doesn't really matter. What does matter, at least to me, is you thinking that you can come here and tell me what I am to do. If you are what you claim to be, you should know better. Ask, politely, that I take this up with the girl's master in private (as if that were required) and I probably would, if I thought it necessary. Come here and tell me what to do and you're just going to reinforce in my mind that you are what you are claiming you are not.

I'm not interested in changing your husband's mind about anything. He can say that she is a dancing hall slave in petticoats if he'd like to, and of course that would be justified because there were some slaves dressed in petticoats in Savages, but it doesn't really matter to me. If that's what he wants to do, more power to him. I explained how "white silk" is used to mean something other than "virgin" to someone who said that it only meant "virgin". If that puts a twist in your panties, dear lady, frankly, that's not my problem.



Leonidas -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 8:04:25 AM)

Hello angel,

See my response to Silverdawn above. I have no issue with it at all. Just explained what it meant. The original comment about it was probably just smart-assed, but could have been out of ignorance of how online Goreans do things. Sometimes I give the benefit of the doubt where I shouldn't. In light of subsequent posts by that poster, I probably shouldn't have.



afmvdp -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 8:16:23 AM)

I think I'm going to start a bdsm idealed, psuedo religious group based off Isaac Asimov's writings, starting with the Three Laws of Robotics. Dear god...I feel sorry for the few real Goreans out there.



Leonidas -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 8:19:50 AM)

Remember what I was saying about digging a hole that you then have to pole-vault out of to respectability? This is why.



afmvdp -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 8:27:28 AM)

Remember when I said I agreed with many of the primary structural beliefs but would never even think about calling myself such because of the online extremisits? haha. Good we seem to see eye to eye on that one.



MrThorns -> RE: Daddy? (8/11/2004 8:36:39 AM)

newflowers,

Thank you for breaking the cycle and getting back on topic...

(We'll see if it takes)

~Thorns



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