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Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 4:56:19 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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You know i have seen a lot of  different post about when things go wrong  in the lifestyle. what about resposiblity who's is it and such   what point of view would take  like who really controls the persons life  the subs or dom or dommes
and what levels more or less when things do not work out whos fault is it. 
how about holding people acountable for when they cause injury or illness knowingly  

    somethings have facts attached to them they are just the way they are
do you still hold someone acountable for the failure of a relationship or injuries
or debt   being accountable meanss with the individual first and fans out from there
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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 5:11:58 PM   
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When my relationships end I don't lay fault. I simply move on and I forget about them and move on with my life.

Blaminng others, holding grudges, etc..doesn't do any good. It doesn't matter. Just move up and on.

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 5:12:16 PM   
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I like to consider myself a responsible person and would believe that if I caused harm to someone, I would in personal honor take care of what I have done.  There are some things you cannot repair and those would be things I would not attempt to do unless I could safely do them.  I will not use a whip say... because I have no experience with a whip.  That would be taking responsiblity before harm could be done.  I really don't have an interest in them though.

I do believe that some things could be a setting or circumstance where it is two who share a responsiblity.  Any debt would be one of those situations I would think.  I will own up to what I do and will go beyond fair most of the time, but then there are times when I get my attitude going because someone has done something wrong or as we both at one time felt or expressed as wrong to do and if they push me... it will be a cold day in hell before I budge.  I would expect them to hold some responsiblity in the matter before I would budge.

I think it all depends.  To assume people won't take responsibilty or don't isn't all that great an idea, but it is always a good idea to protect yourself just in case they don't.

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 6:10:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

how about holding people acountable for when they cause injury or illness knowingly   

somethings have facts attached to them they are just the way they are
do you still hold someone acountable for the failure of a relationship or injuries
or debt  

being accountable means with the individual first and fans out from there


I try to hold people accountable for their actions, their commitments, their promises, their misdeeds, their damages...it is a matter of character whether they accept responsibility or not. 
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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 7:09:34 PM   
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I’ve been in relationships where things didn’t work out, for one reason or another. I take responsibility for choosing to be in those relationships, and for that reason, if I were going to blame anyone, I would have to blame me.
 
However, so far, I have not been in a relationship where the gain, in knowledge (at the very least), did not out weigh any loss caused by being in the relationship. So I see no reason to place blame on anyone.
 
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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 7:26:58 PM   
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I generally take the responsibility.  It's just who I am.  I attempt to make whatever right that has been out of place.  Even in vanilla relationships, I'm always the one to leave behind the possessions and the furniture.  Pay the money back or return gifts that were given to Me.  Do what I can to make amends for any emotional pain caused.  Try to help the other person get back on their feet.

For Me, it's not so much a responsibility thing.  I'm just more the type that, unless there was a harm done to Me, I look back and remember why I got involved with that other person in the first place.  It was usually because they were a friend.  I'd do the same for any other friend, regardless if there had been an attempt at a deeper emotional involvement or not.  They are still the same person that I tried to build something with, even if it didn't work out.


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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 7:34:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

somethings have facts attached to them they are just the way they are
do you still hold someone acountable for the failure of a relationship or injuries
or debt   being accountable meanss with the individual first and fans out from there


Relationships fail.  Laying blame is unproductive.  Relationships fail for as many different reasons as there are people in them.  The responsibility lies with both/all of the partners, equally.
 
What is productive is taking stock of the things that you were responsible for, and taking steps to ensure that you do not make the same mistakes in the next.  Was it your initial selection process, the speed in which you went into the relationship, your actions within it, your reactions to your partners actions, or anything else you can come up with?  What can you do about it?  How can you change you in the future?

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 8:03:40 PM   
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you can think of responsibilities like a pie you can try to cut it equal but it never really is the only thing you can take to the bank is knowing that you either did your best or you just really were not in to that person other then a sexual interest in wish you may have lied your ass off to get what you wanted everyone lies keep in mind this is in response to all that have posted keep also think about this
we only have control of our actions if we borrow from someone wither it be money or things we should return them if we invest into something we should give it our all not just a whatever stance people that take the easy way never gain anything self gratification at the expense of other it does run out oh yeah it really does

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 8:26:34 PM   
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Ultimately when a relationship fails, the responsibility falls on the people involved in the failed relationship. Neither are totally innocent and neither are totally wrong or to blame. Each person has to take responsibility for their own actions for entering, maintaining and leaving said relationship. Having survived many failed relationships, I learned that I am only accountable for my actions or inaction, blaming the other person doesn't do them or myself any good and only serves to create a greater sense of animosity and bitterness. 

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 8:33:32 PM   
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Life is short, very short, no, in fact when I stop and think about it, considering that time is relative and passes quicker the older you get, the opportunities become fewer and fewer, and you never get to know how long you will live in this world anyway I'd even say life is too short.

Nobody brought this home to me more than my parents. Both are dead. Both were obese and asthmatic, both were irresponsible, and I suffered throughout my childhood as a result. They divorced when I was 13. I remember the bitter custody battles when they fought for the right not to have me. Mother died at the age of 43 after chain-smoking up to 60 cigarettes a day and comfort eating. I was the last person to see my mother, in her coffin, which was the same size as a double wardrobe, she died being 5ft 8ins tall and over 400lbs. Father remarried four years after the divorce, bitter over what my mother did it to, bitter that I was his kid, constantly upset and angry, constantly dragging up the past, he put his second wife through hell, she took it and I sincerely hope she gave him some happiness in his 64 years of life that none of the rest of us could bring him. He developed heart problems, went through a triple bypass, and he only managed to lose weight during his final year of life, struggling for breath the whole year at home on oxygen, increasingly bitter and angry at everyone and wanting to die for the final six months he was alive.

I ran away from home when I was 15, the same year when I discovered many things including elements of this lifestyle which I shouldn't have, and the same year I accepted full personal responsibility for everything that came out of me. Apart from the few months I spent back at home to complete my education at school level I've been independent since that time. This is backed up by personal integrity, I am who I am, pretty much WYSIWYG, I'm human, fallible, I fuck up, I make mistakes, I misunderstand, get things wrong at times, not everything I do works out, and I accept this about myself and about other people.

Life has been hard at times, but it's always been interesting, the better moments are fulfilling, sometimes when the mood catches me I can think back and remember times when I did the craziest things, the times of stupidity and I can laugh and even collapse into hysterics over the memories, the bloopers and the times when it all collapsed like a house of cards. I see this in others too, even when I'm the victim of their actions, and I can still laugh. Life is comfortable when you can accept yourself, the world, life, and other people for what they really are.

Finding fault and laying blame are two of the biggest wastes of time I can think about. I get into conflicts and have problems like everyone else, but the only thing I'm interested in is the solution, even if it's a hard compromise or it causes another problem. Life is about solving problems, finding solutions and learning. If I'm wrong or I cock up I'll admit it, and I expect the same from others, otherwise we won't be travelling down this road called Life for too long together.

This to me is what responsibility is all about, accepting the truth of a situation and admitting to being wrong, to making mistakes, and to being human. It's also accepting that the past cannot be changed, nor the future, but the past can be used as reference to suggest what can be changed in the present to make for a better future.


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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 9:03:15 PM   
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Relationships fail.  Laying blame is unproductive.  Relationships fail for as many different reasons as there are people in them.  The responsibility lies with both/all of the partners, equally.
 


While sometimes that may be true, I will emphatically state that sometimes that is not true.  What do you personally do when that is not true? 
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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 9:33:26 PM   
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I’ve been in relationships where things didn’t work out, for one reason or another. I take responsibility for choosing to be in those relationships, and for that reason, if I were going to blame anyone, I would have to blame me.


I love that, mind if I borrow it for a mantra? It applies to so many different areas of life.

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 11:32:44 PM   
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While sometimes that may be true, I will emphatically state that sometimes that is not true.  What do you personally do when that is not true? 
  Davan


This is a very good question. You mentioned earlier about holding the other person accountable, whether he/she accepts it or not. I'm in a situation where things were done - not on my part - that ended the relationship, and where I recently learned that his intentions were not always good regarding me.

I can try to hold him accountable, but for what purpose if he doesn't accept accountability? The only thing I can do is process what happened and choose how I am going to respond to it. Remaining angry holds me in the past and prevents me from moving forward. I look at it this way - he was simply being who he is. And that is the person I chose to give myself to, for reasons that may or may not have been entirely healthy. I accept accountability for my part in that.

Further, I would be doing myself a disservice to be angry at him for simply being who he is. Anger typically comes from your expectations not being met. But if I held him to expectations he could not meet, because of who he is, then I am in the wrong for doing so. I can not be angry at a person for being who they are, and for not meeting expectations they are simply unable to meet. I can choose to move on, away from that person, if that he/she is unhealthy for me. I am responsible for my own well being, so the responsibility of responding to what someone did to me in the past (or in the present, for that matter) falls squarely on my shoulders. Getting angry at someone for not being who I wanted them to be serves no good purpose, and holds me back. Since I don't want to be held back, I look at what I want for my future, and focus on that, and I look at what I did to contribute to my own distress (and that may be as simple as mis-directed anger), and work toward not repeating it.

In other words, focusing on the person you felt did you wrong doesn't get you anywhere. Focusing on yourself, does.

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/7/2008 11:57:57 PM   
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You really have choices when it comes down to it.  Some choose to find a way to move on.  Some dwell so long on the 'responsibility' issue that they forget to live their life in a way to help them grow.  Ever watch the judge shows where a couple comes court after the divorce for something else?  The better judges see it for what it is, one person holding on to a lot of pain and wanting to hold the other accountable.  They may rule in favor of the hurt party if there's legal grounds, but often you see them dismiss it and give the advice to MOVE ON!

I was married before princess.  She cheated and lied and still managed to make me look like the bad guy to all but my closest friends and family.  I took it hard.  I moved away, I changed areas of my life and pursued ways to move ahead.  Yes, the responsibility for a lot of it laid squarely on her.  But for me to stay angry and bitter only hurt me.

And here's the problem I have with 'holding someone accountable'.  If they are no longer allowing you to have that 'hold' no amount of 'holding' will make it happen.  Accountability only works if the power to hold it is given! 


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RE: Responsiblity - 12/8/2008 3:39:51 AM   
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I’ve been in relationships where things didn’t work out, for one reason or another. I take responsibility for choosing to be in those relationships, and for that reason, if I were going to blame anyone, I would have to blame me.


I love that, mind if I borrow it for a mantra? It applies to so many different areas of life.


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RE: Responsiblity - 12/8/2008 3:52:00 AM   
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I love love LOVE Stella's post on this subject.

It describes perfectly, the outlook on life, I do my level best to maintain. Accept responsibility for my own shit. Acknowledge someone else's roll BUT, rather than either beat myself up, or hold a grudge towards another, just accept it for what it is, call it a learning experience, and move forward.

People are who they are. It is usually our expectations of them, that was faulty.

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/8/2008 4:04:34 AM   
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One thing that happens with many submissives I believe is that they project the image to Doms that they want to be abused. It prods the Dom into using them in bad ways. Later that gives the submissives a perfect reason to blame their former Doms for what happened. Some harbor ill feelings, others have enough introspection to know they asked for it.

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RE: Responsiblity - 12/8/2008 4:17:48 AM   
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Steel I agree with that to a point. I think for me though, as a responsible dominant and all around human being, it is on me to gauge how far to take that and to "read" the submissive/slave to know what they really need versus what they say they want or need.

Although, I suspect that a submissive like you are talking about, will draw towards them the very opposite. Someone that is probably simply an abusive schmuck, rather than a responsible dominant.

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